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    okay so i am wondering what you all would do to convience a client that they should employee armed guards over unarmed.

    I work an outdoor property, has an ice rink, has problems with vandelism, homeless people, you will also do cash escorts from one building to another sometimes containing 5000 dollars, the employees have stated they have had some problems in the past with people casing the place, when it was time to do the escorts, and the unarmed guards would ask people to leave the people would refuse so pd had to be called the the people would run. sounds like to me maybe an attemted thought on the possibility of robbing the employee the guard is to escort.

    only thing is the client property is strictly unarmed at one time there used to be armed guards, but there are no longer such at the property we are talking like 7-8 years ago the guard was armed,


    how ever i think i might try to make it so my shift the supervisor is only one allowed armed, as it is my shift that does the cash escort..

    what would you all do ? how would you feel about walking 3k-5k cash about 100 feet to another building unarmed, how would you make a case to be armed ?
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  • #2
    1st I Would Not Do Any Money Escort With Out A Armed Officer To Conduct That Escort And If The Client Does Not Like It He/or She Can Find Someone Else To Do It. I Thank I Would Sit Them Down And Advise Them Of The Pro's And Con's Of Having Armed Guards Especially For The Money Drop. And If They Don't Go With It O Well Move On.

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    • #3
      I would bounce the cost factor and also mention HOW being armed SHOULD reduce their insurance premiums ........... businesses like to save $$$$ and I would also mention about staff safety and welfare when they are carrying $$$ - just sell it to them like you would with a new car - explain the situation about WHY being armed will put the minds of the staff at ease when you can do other tasks such as escorts to buildings too.
      "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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      • #4
        I wouldn't take a contract that required cash escort that was not armed. Why even bother with the escort. Just someone else to get shot. If your employer won't tell the client this then I would simply resign.
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        • #5
          If they are dead against armed security then there must be a reason. Hate to be the Devils advocate but this account does not sound like one that can afford armed security. And as a start up company you will have to charge high to pay for your peoples liability insurance. I have known of several companies that put their receipts in a normal purchase bag and pick a random employee to make the drop. Being escorted by a security armed or not seems to beg for an incident. Sorry but without bad news there would be no good news.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chucky View Post
            If they are dead against armed security then there must be a reason. Hate to be the Devils advocate but this account does not sound like one that can afford armed security. And as a start up company you will have to charge high to pay for your peoples liability insurance. I have known of several companies that put their receipts in a normal purchase bag and pick a random employee to make the drop. Being escorted by a security armed or not seems to beg for an incident. Sorry but without bad news there would be no good news.
            Good points. Announcing "Here goes a money run, all you robbers" by conducting a little parade with a highly visible escort - armed or not - is the last thing you want to do. If robbers can knock over armored cars, they can certainly take out your escort. Misdirection and subterfuge in conducting the transfer (different people, different times, nondirect routes, splitting up the runs so less $$ are being carried, etc.) might make much more sense.

            If there are other problems that figure into your thinking about arming an officer, you would need to present the client with a reasoned analysis, starting perhaps with relevant facts about violent crimes for that specific area - say, two or three blocks in all directions around your client's property. Usually, the PD can help you with this. The PD can also tell you how many times in the past <year, etc.> they have been called to the property - it might surprise you. Then, you need to have the $$ ducks in a row. You must be able to tell the client exactly what this would cost and what they get for spending this money. Compare this cost with other alternatives, such as additional unarmed manpower. I'm assuming that you can demonstrate that something must be done to improve security at this site other than what is being done right now.
            Last edited by SecTrainer; 11-20-2007, 06:07 PM.
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            • #7
              I'm curious as to why the account WAS armed but is no longer?

              Personally, I'd be looking at trying to alter the site work practices a little... from reading your posts I'm getting the impression that these 'cash escorts' are taking place at the end of business hours, and the cash is being relocated from the satellite buildings to the most secure cash repository, that sound about right UPF?
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              • #8
                1 retailer I worked with had some lazy managers who would never do banking on time. Some would dump 4 days worth of cash in 1 hit which did not help the company's bank a/c. This became a cultural thing and I put a stop to it as if there were staff shortages, I would help when I could or have them close the store to do the deposit. I dance party I ran the security for had 3,000 party goers and expecting each to spend $30.00+ on drinks I implimented a prepaid drink card for $20.00 - $50.00 with a 5% bonus and 95% buy back for all unused credit. The promoter had some $60k upfront to pay my fees and team (I was paid 85% upfront due to this) and drink staff were happy not to have that much cash and more around them.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Maelstrom View Post
                  I'm curious as to why the account WAS armed but is no longer?

                  Personally, I'd be looking at trying to alter the site work practices a little... from reading your posts I'm getting the impression that these 'cash escorts' are taking place at the end of business hours, and the cash is being relocated from the satellite buildings to the most secure cash repository, that sound about right UPF?
                  exact


                  ... it was last armed in 99/00 im not sure why it went unarmed but some of the staff stated somof the guards were not adequate ti be having weps... since 99/00 its been unarmed the company i work for has had the account since 1996/97. the property which is a city property has only exsisted since 1993
                  Last edited by UtahProtectionForce; 11-21-2007, 01:24 AM.
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                  Its not how we lived that counts....
                  all that matters is how we saved that one life that one time by being in the right place at the right time....

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                  • #10
                    Our company is against it. I even offered to provide the equipment and pay for the schooling. No dice.

                    We do money escorts but are now letting the staff escort themselves while we watch with the camera. It got to the point where the manpower was short and tied up and the tenants knew what was going on and would advertise stupid things like, "hey can I have some of that money?"
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                    • #11
                      I would never, ever do money escorts with a firearm to defend myself and the person in possession of thr cash. I would suggest that someone pick the money handlers at random and take different routes to deposit the cash. Never take the same route at the same times. Keep the bad guys guessing. I think that this may be your only option IMHO!

                      Be Safe,

                      Hank
                      Last edited by Hank1; 11-21-2007, 02:02 AM. Reason: mis-spelled word
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                      • #12
                        Hank, do you mean "without a firearm" or is "with a firearm" correct?
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                        • #13
                          You Know if you think about it where is the best place to abscond this money from the company. Surely not at the store of origin. To many lights and alarms and potentially armed citizens. Not on the way to the bank. Could end up in a chase where someone gets hurt. But yes at the bank deposit night deposit box. Many I have seen were by the drive up window near the back of the bank and poorly lit. Most deposit boxes require you to get out to open them with a key. Yet you seldom here of that type of robbery being done.

                          A long while ago I remember reading about someone taking a large steel box with a slot cut into the front. They then after hours placed it in front of the existing real box with a note that stated "Due to construction our regular box is out of service. Please deposit here" Unbelievably people did just that and were SOL as far as their money was concerned. Can't remember where this happened but some of you might remember.
                          Last edited by Chucky; 11-21-2007, 07:39 PM.
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                          THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR A .357 MAGNUM ROUND IS 1400 FEET PER SECOND?
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                          • #14
                            Here's how I would explain it. When was the last time you saw an unarmed armored car guard? When large sums of money are at stake, people are always out to try to get some of it using any means necessary, including guns. An unarmed guard is absolutely no deterrent whatsoever against someone who is hellbent on stealing a large sum of money. So, ask the client if their money is worth enough to them to employ an armed guard.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Chucky View Post
                              A long while ago I remember reading about someone taking a large steel box with a slot cut into the front. They then after hours placed it in front of the existing real box with a note that stated "Due to construction our regular box is out of service. Please deposit here" Unbelievably people did just that and were SOL as far as there money was concerned. Can't remember where this happened but some of you might remember.
                              Yeah that happened right before I moved to the Bahamas!



                              On a serious note...

                              UPF could the satellite cash areas' buildings be made more secure? with a majority of the cash transported during business hours, leaving only the last few hours of takings in a safe or secured cash room?

                              Alternatively... I've seen some sites make use of large compressed air pipes/tubes to transport their cash etc. in pods (for lack of a better description) directly to the main cash holding area, would something like that be an option? from a logistics point-of-view it's an insurance companies wet dream IMHO
                              Last edited by Maelstrom; 11-21-2007, 06:46 PM.
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