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    I'm curious, has anyone ever heard of getting a license to practice private security(guard and Patrol services,NOT military type ie. Blackwater) overseas? Is there such a license? I have been scouring the internet and I can't seem to find anything. I understand that there are international guard companies, ie.Securitas, but am wondering if they have international private security licenses. Thanks.

  • #2
    When I worked overseas CPP with my company (the good old days) we had to be approved by Interpol and through other agencies (would you have terrorists working in your country ?) and this was all before the WTC happened. We also had to ensure we hired the local police or in some cases in Asian areas, I just blended in with executive and we kept our mouths shut.

    I am aware there is an Accreditation Program and background check naturally of any potential employees but for the life of me cannot find anything listed or known as this has to be a hush-hush situation. I have had colleagues who last a week in Iraq and I have known some colleagues to last a few months before the strain of family life and fear of death becomes too much. Money is not everything for some people.
    "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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    • #3
      Each nation would have its own regulations.
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      • #4
        Most Commonwealth Countries had an RPL - Recognition of Prior Learning and this meant you were given permission to attend whatever time you needed and to leave without issue. Many countries were against us being armed and in some Asian countries it was assumed we would be or were able to use local nationals as required. It all depends on where, when, how and for what purpose of course.
        "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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        • #5
          well... i know that I'm late but i couldn't hold myself...
          first of all AMERICANS are NOT allowed to work in Europe and Eurasia as security staff whatever assignment they would be on.
          If you have work permit you can get a license from the company you work for (most company's do in-house training)
          If you want to start security company you will need to comply with each country's requirements.
          I.E. Ireland has Private security authority to issue license(extremely hard to get one) and nobody has weapons here even cops in United Kingdom it's SIA -security industry authority they do not require company to have license but ALL employees must hold their own license also nobody has weapons except special units.

          Most country's have this kind of authority or if they do not,they require Federal (special) investigation bureau or police to issue license with approval from interior affairs ministry..



          I know this as i have company's in many Europe country's and Russia and Belarus. So it is funny to listen on operations world-wide.

          Of course i agree sometimes people do travel but it is only semi official - with help of partners or if company has branch in that country.. And it is extremely expensive as you need approval of that state you are going in - many states will sy we wont let your guards in you can use our country's company's...

          I hope i was clear because English isn't my native language

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          • #6
            A good site for people Living in the United Kingdom is a site Belonging to our beloved SIA... well... Door guards now hate the SIA but it's still the number one place to go to for working doors, industrial guarding, prisoner in transit or money in transit licenses.

            The only issue with licensing is that it just costs so much money.!

            Here's the link

            http://www.the-sia.org.uk/home
            Ewfr 'Gomulee - EuwFer 'Gom-You-Lee
            Court Security Officer - Her Majesty's Courts Service HMCS

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            • #7
              Really?
              "The licence application fee is £245 for a three year licence. The fee is to cover the cost of processing your application and is not refundable."

              this is not expensive.or do you guys pay yourself? I have recently opened company in Ireland and it cost's me about 500Euros for EACH employees license and training of 16hrs.
              I pay for the license,i know that other company's require employees to pay for their license or pay half of it.
              So what about you guys? You pay it yourself? I heard that guards pay in London may be as low as 5£/per hour.

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              • #8
                Most people are in transit or for a few days when arriving in another country and will NOT be working in security. Why would you bother going to foreign country for a few days work ?

                In Australia you must now be a citizen or resident to obtain a licence and whilst you are able to work here in another capacity, it does not mean you will be issued with a security licence as it takes weeks for pre-licence assessment and then 8 days of training (all bogus) plus another 6 weeks of waiting for your licence approval for fingerprints and another 2 weeks before your licence is approval. All that for crap income when being a taxi driver is almost instant income and english is far from required.

                Your SIA has come about after an overhaul of the industry and whilst I have been intransit in the UK for a few days between trips in the past, why would you want to compete with local people for first line employment work ?
                "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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                • #9
                  in reality its not about competition its all about client,he may not trust other company's and may have long established relationship with his bodyguard (this is very important) and thats it... from this point problem starts.
                  And i hate stuff like this we are not working we are just in transit,when you are protecting person you are working... after stuff like we are just in transit problems begin like cash-in-hand etc...
                  And besides hat will you do if you wont need to go to uk,but lets say to Lithuania or Latvia where theres a high-risk of getting shot,if your client will be under fire ..then what? you'll gonna say cops we where just in transit for a few days ?

                  in 2002 Spanish businessman was shot near his apartment in Vilnius,Lithuania after refusal to "pay for protection". Hes bodyguard did nothing,now after reading this we are NOT working we are in transit .. i started to think maybe he was also in transit

                  No really ? Do you guys work in this way ?

                  Oh,i started to write so much sorry,just if i didn't answered the question,on competition its not competition.. and the reason is high payment for services.
                  If bodyguard may get about 30Eur / per hour then by travel you may get exta half of that.
                  Some people will say this money are not worth it others will say Wow i want to be bodyguard , anyways... time to sleep , bye everyone

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                  • #10
                    May I phone a friend for an interpretor please ?

                    I think we have discussed 2 different areas - local security work vs visiting CPP personnel. NO CPP officer is going to want to ever get involved with local security employment when visiting from another country if this was possible. It's like a CEO also being the coffee boy for the office - sheer ridiculous.

                    99.99% of clients will want their own people and this may mean the fact that they will be supported by local service providers who can act as forward teams together with local and up to date intell reports. So where does this problem start ?

                    A client is passing through London for a stop over and then going to Switzerland, they may wish to take a day's rest based on risk assessment. This boys and girls, is called being "in transit". If you are working a low key assignment and you are broadcasting your every move you may as well paint a target on your body and say - hit me please.

                    Anyone with a basic knowledge of risk management would assess the risk pertaining to every country or location visited and if for example you were to go into a country of extreme risk where you were to be unarmed, then you are painting yourself as a target. Some of these countries require only a permit from the local police commander or district commander together with the "right fee" and this has come from a UK colleague who has been in both miltary and private industry all his career.

                    Any idiot who would go into a country with a high risk alone is not a true CPP officer. There is no cost for a life and often a bribe or "fee" to a contact to get information or safe passage is what it takes to get the job done then so be it. Again if you had worked in the industry you would know the thousands of documents prepared in each operation. A true CPP officer is working 24/7 and even when on a break or rest stop - you are always working until you deliver the client home or to their destination.

                    Do some more research and you might learn that there is more to the industry than a large build man talking into his hand as he watches over a crowd.
                    Last edited by NRM_Oz; 03-03-2008, 07:09 PM.
                    "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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                    • #11
                      I visited Northern Ireland (UK) last spring. Security Guards were not (legally) armed but all their police were, not just special units like in the rest of the UK.

                      A friend who used to work in hotel security is now an executive of a multi-national armoured car company here in Montreal. He tells me that the armoured car Security in the Republic of Ireland ARE armed.
                      I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
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                      • #12
                        [QUOTE=NRM_Oz;54400]May I phone a friend for an interpretor please ?

                        QUOTE]You've got to be kidding...right? I posted the Aussie slang dictionary so people could better understand what you write. If you haven't picked up on it yet - 'olivera' is from Europe, and I think he does a pretty good job of translating his thoughts into english.
                        Retail Security Consultant / Expert Witness
                        Co-Author - Effective Security Management 6th Edition

                        Contributor to Retail Crime, Security and Loss Prevention: An Encyclopedic Reference

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                        • #13
                          Thank you bailie,yes i'm from Europe and it is pretty hard to understand and explain something for me into English,as English isn't my native language...
                          And not sure ho wrote that,but NO , guards in Republic of Ireland ARE NOT ARMED. They are not allowed to carry even handcuffs,i have recently got contractors license in republic of Ireland,so please first of all check how reliable your friend is..Please.
                          The only way guards are armed is if by saying guards he mean police as police in Republic of Ireland is called "Garda Schiohana" and sometimes they do escort for the cash-in-transit. And they also are called guards or gardii. So maybe you have misunderstood your friend.
                          And for the Belfast - Northern Ireland,it is extremely dangerous place thats why cops are armed and wearing bulletproofs at all times.

                          And for other posts,i didn't understood that in transit term. Sorry it is hard for me to explain what i want to say.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by olivera View Post
                            Really?
                            "The licence application fee is £245 for a three year licence. The fee is to cover the cost of processing your application and is not refundable."

                            this is not expensive.or do you guys pay yourself? I have recently opened company in Ireland and it cost's me about 500Euros for EACH employees license and training of 16hrs.
                            I pay for the license,i know that other company's require employees to pay for their license or pay half of it.
                            So what about you guys? You pay it yourself? I heard that guards pay in London may be as low as 5£/per hour.
                            That's just the license fee my friend, then you have to consider the training courses.
                            Most standard Guarding courses are not easy to find and most cost just over £200
                            Most training courses ONLY like to do Door Guarding rather then just the standard guarding course, there's more money in door guarding.
                            If you do a standard guaring course that's all find and dandy but then it's useless without a CCTV license as most places these days WANT their security officers to be CCTV trained and licensed.

                            In the long run it starts to add up to most of the month's wage. (depending on what you're paid).
                            Ewfr 'Gomulee - EuwFer 'Gom-You-Lee
                            Court Security Officer - Her Majesty's Courts Service HMCS

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                            • #15
                              wow,thats really expensive especially if you need to pay it yourself. In Republic of Ireland Basic guarding skills course costs 350Euros(from ISTA) and license 120(for static guards) so its only 470euros,and seems pay is bigger then in UK.


                              I'm interested what is the price of license and training in U.S.A. and is the training just a bogus one? Or real-one that gives some real skills some use for the guard? And do guards pay them selfs? for that?

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