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    After working the drudgery of my current posting, my Capt. arrived on site and asked if I'd like to be reassigned. I figured, hey I can finally get out of here! He said due to my appearance and professionalism, he'd rather have me in the public eye than someone else. Cool, I thought. So, he offers me the choice between a sleepy little retirment community (no biggie, I used to be a psych tech on a geriatric ward) or a small hotel (sweet, I'd be around other humans again). After some chit-chat, we settled on posting me to the hotel and he told me the shift I'd be working and so on.

    Then tonight, he drops by again and tells me I'm being reassigned to a certain apartment complex (actually one large one and two other smaller ones). This was because the officer I'd be taking over for at the hotel isn't sure if he's going to leave yet. I wasn't too happy when I learned this. Not only is this complex known for major gang activity, but 95% of our radio traffic is for this site, causing the officer on duty to either chase calls or be mired in paperwork (usually both). On top of all that, it's nothing but 12 hour shifts on top of my other job.

    "You'll prolly enjoy it", my Capt. said. Ugh, I'm going to talk to my Chief and see if I can't land the old folks home. Oh well, least I passed my officer evaluation.
    ‎"If you can't tolerate humor directed at you, you do not deserve to be taken seriously"

  • #2
    Originally posted by Taktiq View Post
    After working the drudgery of my current posting, my Capt. arrived on site and asked if I'd like to be reassigned. I figured, hey I can finally get out of here! He said due to my appearance and professionalism, he'd rather have me in the public eye than someone else. Cool, I thought. So, he offers me the choice between a sleepy little retirment community (no biggie, I used to be a psych tech on a geriatric ward) or a small hotel (sweet, I'd be around other humans again). After some chit-chat, we settled on posting me to the hotel and he told me the shift I'd be working and so on.

    Then tonight, he drops by again and tells me I'm being reassigned to a certain apartment complex (actually one large one and two other smaller ones). This was because the officer I'd be taking over for at the hotel isn't sure if he's going to leave yet. I wasn't too happy when I learned this. Not only is this complex known for major gang activity, but 95% of our radio traffic is for this site, causing the officer on duty to either chase calls or be mired in paperwork (usually both). On top of all that, it's nothing but 12 hour shifts on top of my other job.

    "You'll prolly enjoy it", my Capt. said. Ugh, I'm going to talk to my Chief and see if I can't land the old folks home. Oh well, least I passed my officer evaluation.
    I prefer to be busy all night. Unfortunately, paperwork is a huge part of the job. As the Lieutenant with 51 marked vehicles on the street, I respond to priority calls. If my officers are busy, I respond to calls for service. And even then, I do not do very much paperwork such as CIRs, FIRs and the like!
    " We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle, our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on one hand and of overwhelming force on the other" - General George C. Marshall

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    • #3
      I think personal safety is an issue and even with danger money it is not worth it under any circumstances. Where I worked on solo night shifts, I would quite often have 9 hours of down time in 12 hours, so apart from the compulsory reading, telephone contacts to check on upcoming rosters through Command / Control and radio monitoring, I would complete my reports from other sites to ensure I was paid for them on WORK time and not my own time - besides once midnight hit I would be not too interested in eating alot over the next few hours.
      "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hank1 View Post
        I prefer to be busy all night. Unfortunately, paperwork is a huge part of the job. As the Lieutenant with 51 marked vehicles on the street, I respond to priority calls. If my officers are busy, I respond to calls for service. And even then, I do not do very much paperwork such as CIRs, FIRs and the like!
        Staying busy's one thing...I don't think I'd mind going to this new site so much if I knew I'd be partnered up with another officer. Unfortunately, this won't be the case. So, it'll be me, myself and dispatch yapping in my ear for 12 hours.

        The paperwork though, eh, that's really no biggie. Believe me, security paperwork doesn't hold a candle to the stuff I had to fill out daily while working on a hospital psych ward.
        ‎"If you can't tolerate humor directed at you, you do not deserve to be taken seriously"

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        • #5
          Have a chat with your boss, be honest and state you're not 100% confident that you're ready for such a position at this stage...
          "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill

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          • #6
            Don't forget the 3rd alternative, do nothing.

            Valuable contract law elements definition:
            1. offer,
            2. acceptance, AND
            3. meeting of the minds.

            Yeah, your cap pulled a bait and switch on you. That was NOT what you agreed to, so don't get conned into jeopardizing your life for peanuts. Just state you need to investigate it longer, since the offer has changed and you have not had time to research it before a 'proper' acceptance.

            From what I've seen so far, SO companies DO NOT offer good deals from the heavens. You have to fight, swear, hold on to any shift worth retaining. They always hang carrots in front of you to distract your clear thinking. Don't get too greedy, since its likely a trap if it sounds too good. Keep your guard up! They are all the same except a minor standard deviation in behavioral variance. Just because he may be good to someone else, he cannot AFFORD to be nice to everyone. Good luck.

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            • #7
              I wouldn't take the new post. Working alone in a gang infested apartment complex is foolhardy. The police, with all of their toys, training, and the law on their side respond to most calls with back up.

              This is not meant to be a slam on anyone on this board that loves working the "high risk" sites, but why not just become a cop and get paid at least double the money and work on a great pension?

              I have several friends that are police officers that do some off duty security work. They won't agree to a detail that that is foolish and they set the rules. You want one officer for a street festival in a bad neighborhood? Nope, you are going to need to hire at least three or we won't do it. The "client" either agrees to the officer's staffing requirements or they don't get the cops there. This is often when people might call XYZ Security to send over one armed guard since they care more about the bottom line than officer safety.

              If the site isn't properly staffed or equipped, don't work it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
                I wouldn't take the new post. Working alone in a gang infested apartment complex is foolhardy. The police, with all of their toys, training, and the law on their side respond to most calls with back up.

                This is not meant to be a slam on anyone on this board that loves working the "high risk" sites, but why not just become a cop and get paid at least double the money and work on a great pension?

                I have several friends that are police officers that do some off duty security work. They won't agree to a detail that that is foolish and they set the rules. You want one officer for a street festival in a bad neighborhood? Nope, you are going to need to hire at least three or we won't do it. The "client" either agrees to the officer's staffing requirements or they don't get the cops there. This is often when people might call XYZ Security to send over one armed guard since they care more about the bottom line than officer safety.

                If the site isn't properly staffed or equipped, don't work it.
                Yeah, I talked to my Chief earlier on my break here at my other job. I was told I'd be starting this new posting Wednesday night, but he calls asking if I'd like to start tonight (No). I told him, due to working a second job already, if I could be sent someplace else that has 5 8hr shifts vs. this one with it's 12's. Not only do I not really care to work in someplace gang infested alone (I'll do it if I have to), but having two jobs wears you out to the point you feel like you never get any sleep as it is. He told me to contact him tomorrow so, we'll see how that goes.
                ‎"If you can't tolerate humor directed at you, you do not deserve to be taken seriously"

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                • #9
                  I suppose this new post wouldn't be so bad for folks like myself who like action as opposed to the drudgery of your aforementioned post. BTW, you did not say if this new post is going to be armed. If it's not, then I agree, you should probably try to talk the captain into sending you the old folks home.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tattedupboy View Post
                    I suppose this new post wouldn't be so bad for folks like myself who like action as opposed to the drudgery of your aforementioned post. BTW, you did not say if this new post is going to be armed. If it's not, then I agree, you should probably try to talk the captain into sending you the old folks home.
                    I don't mind action, that's no problem. You name it, I've worked it (ok maybe not as much as that CPO I mentioned, haha). And no, it's an unarmed post. I guess I should've mentioned that. One of the patrol supervisors I talk to, told me when I mentioned where I was being sent basically said, "My advice? GET ARMED! As soon as you possibly can. That's your only ticket out of there."
                    ‎"If you can't tolerate humor directed at you, you do not deserve to be taken seriously"

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                    • #11
                      I see two things here...

                      1. He asked if you wanted to be reassigned. Usually, there's no recourse if you are then ordered to be reassigned, so saying "I don't want to work it" will result in a "Are you refusing to accept work?" Say yes, and you have now quit. No benefits from the state (Unemployment Insurance), you just refused work.

                      2. If this is an unarmed site in the middle of crack town with a lot of radio traffic... What kind of radio traffic is it? Is it all 'plz call the po-po' or is it "I NEED SOME DAMN COPS THEY ARE TRYING OT KILL ME?!"

                      I have worked sites armed and unarmed in teh ghetto before. I can say I wouldn't do it unarmed again. But, it really depends on what you are supposed to be doing there.
                      Some Kind of Commando Leader

                      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
                        I wouldn't take the new post. Working alone in a gang infested apartment complex is foolhardy.......
                        My thoughts exactly - no way.
                        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
                          I have worked sites armed and unarmed in teh ghetto before. I can say I wouldn't do it unarmed again. But, it really depends on what you are supposed to be doing there.
                          It only takes getting mugged once at gunpoint to change your habits immediately.

                          Hint, if you are walking along ghetto 'corner' and everyone in background suddenly disappears; except a couple of guys with overcoats where you are walking towards, look out. Good chance you will be mugged at gun point unless you see a cover exit and can run faster than drug addicts. Out running druggies is not hard, but without a cover exit, hard to outrun bullets or buckshot. NEVER look at the ground when walking, and ALWAYS stay alert.

                          And because the Captain asked if you wanted to be reassigned after tempting you with a bs 'carrot', don't worry about unemployment. This would be a good case for a hungry agency lawyer to screw him or the SO company's deeper pockets. SO companies go well beyond legal boundaries all the time with low paid Captains doing the dirtywork, since the education levels of many SO's are not par with crook companies procedures.

                          Any way, SO jobs are available everywhere, and unmemployment would be an inconvenience in cash flows (hopefully). Tell him to stick it if he is that slimey. But the legal screw in the company would be sweet. It would be at least worth a $5K severance payout, taxed up. That is, if it is negotiated before the introduction of the lawyer, since you should not want to stay with a company that tries to screw 'you'. But you better do your homework and have every word planned in your offer, or else... talk to your lawyer.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
                            I see two things here...

                            1. He asked if you wanted to be reassigned. Usually, there's no recourse if you are then ordered to be reassigned, so saying "I don't want to work it" will result in a "Are you refusing to accept work?" Say yes, and you have now quit. No benefits from the state (Unemployment Insurance), you just refused work.

                            2. If this is an unarmed site in the middle of crack town with a lot of radio traffic... What kind of radio traffic is it? Is it all 'plz call the po-po' or is it "I NEED SOME DAMN COPS THEY ARE TRYING OT KILL ME?!"

                            I have worked sites armed and unarmed in teh ghetto before. I can say I wouldn't do it unarmed again. But, it really depends on what you are supposed to be doing there.

                            1) The choice of posts came along with passing officer evaluation. The Capt. who talked to me orginally knew me from my previous time with this company when he was just a patrol Sgt. He really doesn't have the say so to fire me as he's not the Chief.
                            2) Radio traffic? Hmmm...well when it's not responding to the usual noise complaints, I hear "dispatch roll PD" followed quite often by "i got one subject running! patrol what's your 20 (where are you)?" "10 minutes away"...*some static and huffing and puffing* "patrol better make it two minutes!"
                            ‎"If you can't tolerate humor directed at you, you do not deserve to be taken seriously"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ddog View Post
                              It only takes getting mugged once at gunpoint to change your habits immediately.

                              Hint, if you are walking along ghetto 'corner' and everyone in background suddenly disappears; except a couple of guys with overcoats where you are walking towards, look out. Good chance you will be mugged at gun point unless you see a cover exit and can run faster than drug addicts. Out running druggies is not hard, but without a cover exit, hard to outrun bullets or buckshot. NEVER look at the ground when walking, and ALWAYS stay alert.

                              And because the Captain asked if you wanted to be reassigned after tempting you with a bs 'carrot', don't worry about unemployment. This would be a good case for a hungry agency lawyer to screw him or the SO company's deeper pockets. SO companies go well beyond legal boundaries all the time with low paid Captains doing the dirtywork, since the education levels of many SO's are not par with crook companies procedures.

                              Any way, SO jobs are available everywhere, and unmemployment would be an inconvenience in cash flows (hopefully). Tell him to stick it if he is that slimey. But the legal screw in the company would be sweet. It would be at least worth a $5K severance payout, taxed up. That is, if it is negotiated before the introduction of the lawyer, since you should not want to stay with a company that tries to screw 'you'. But you better do your homework and have every word planned in your offer, or else... talk to your lawyer.
                              My lawyer? Uhhh what lawyer?
                              ‎"If you can't tolerate humor directed at you, you do not deserve to be taken seriously"

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