It's not so much that you will need to reload. I was trained when using an automatic you are more likely to have a magazine failure than to have to reload. Let's just say you do have to use your gun and you do have to fire several rounds. If your magazine fails you have a fresh good mag you can swap to hopefully continue the fight. You may say that if my mags are in good shape this will not happen. Well sometimes mags just fail regardless of how new or how dependable they may have been before.
That's why I carry my S&W Model 28 revolver 99% of the time. I bought the gun new in 1982, and it has never failed to fire when I pulled the trigger. No jams, no stove pipes, no clearing drills. Just pull the trigger, and BANG!. Every time.
Trainer I'm glad you said it although I was surely thinking on those lines.The last big shootout which is approx I/2 of 1% 7 pd officers put 100 rounds into a car with a bad guy in it. There are so many different types of security post out there that maybe some folks feel the need to carry all the extra weight around.
Most S/Os are observe and report even some armed post. My post is 1 order only meet deadly force with deadly force. I do carry pepper and cuffs mostly for show. Wish I could say more but if I could you all would understand that arrest or apprehension are not an option. More like duck and fire. As in the military, agility is as important as fire power. I don't need all that extra weight to slow me down in a fire fight something the odds say are very unlikely to happen.
A few years back in an area north of Pensacola several LE officers got into a shoot out with a bad guy. Somehow the count was approximately 400 rounds expended. Bad guy scored one hit, good guys scored two hits. And they were 'all' standing still during the contest. Yep. The more rounds, the more to waste.
Note: You'll have to look it up yourself.
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You poor deluded saps, lugging around all that ammo. What if you ever fell into a swimming pool?
I would rather be the sap with the ammo than the sap that falls in a pool. Ever heard of coordination? Makes it real easy to avoid falling in a pool. Also, ammo doesn't weigh that much, unless you are armed with a .50 boat tail or something.
You poor deluded saps, lugging around all that ammo. What if you ever fell into a swimming pool?
All you have to do is get yourself one of them Hollywood Mags that never run out, and you're good to go.
Trainer I'm glad you said it although I was surely thinking on those lines.The last big shootout which is approx I/2 of 1% 7 pd officers put 100 rounds into a car with a bad guy in it. There are so many different types of security post out there that maybe some folks feel the need to carry all the extra weight around.
Most S/Os are observe and report even some armed post. My post is 1 order only meet deadly force with deadly force. I do carry pepper and cuffs mostly for show. Wish I could say more but if I could you all would understand that arrest or apprehension are not an option. More like duck and fire. As in the military, agility is as important as fire power. I don't need all that extra weight to slow me down in a fire fight something the odds say are very unlikely to happen.
company policy you must carry two extra mags, because "knock on wood" if you ever get involved in a shoot out, you will more then likely miss a few rounds with the accelerated aderline levels, and situational confrontion. bot matter how much you would like to believe that you would be able to place 100% rounds center mass, it will not happen in true combat situation, where you have to rapid fire, rather slow fire at targets...
Hear hear. I'll agree with that 100%. When I went through law enforcement training in the military, we trained with both 38 revolvers and 45 auto's. We also did speed training "at the whistle, draw, 4 shots in 6 seconds" or "draw, 2 shots, reload, 2 more in 8 seconds" and things like that. We used 4 stationary distances for both stationary and on the move scenarios. At least it got you to aim & shoot fast.
Nowadays on the job I carry at least 2 feet for my Weller (soldering gun), and about a hundred 1 &1/8" rounds for my screw gun.
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One in the pipe, one in the pocket. Hahaha...nah, 5 speed strips for my Rossi .38, plus the 5 in the cylinder.
anti gun nut asked me once if I had a shotgun too. When I said yeah he asked me what I used in it. I told him 1 oz slugs. he then asked me "do you feel good to have so much power that you could kill someone twice with that?"
I answered "Sir, I use slugs because I'm responsible for every pellet discharged from my weapon, and a single large round gets the job done with less of a chance of your ACLU buddies making an example out of me for defending myself."
Perhaps you should ask the bad guys what they carry. A security company had 30 odd Glock 21's stolen, when armed offenders with shotguns overpowered the sole armed guard on duty (what the law requires for over 7 firearms in storage). About 4 months later there was a drive by shooting with 1 of the Glocks with a 30 - yes 30, round mag poking out 6 inches from the the grips. Makes tap and rack a whole new safety drill huh ?
When I first got firearms certified we had to manually learn to load into the cylinder with 6 loose rounds.
Some of you guys are carrying more ammo as a security guard then i did in Nam. Why? Are you expecting a war? If you are confident and a good shot all you will need is 1 unless there are two or more bad guys.
As for the guy that can't hit the target at 7 yards could be a couple reasons. A weak shooting eye or sights out of adjustments. One of you guys should offer to help him out. Hell with a little coaching he could be another Sgt York someday.
I would rather have more ammo than I need than need more ammo and not have it.
We all have to shoot .38 revolvers here in St. Louis. They are fixed sights... If they are out of alignment then you shouldn't be shooting that gun. So I don't think it was the sights.
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