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  • Andy Taylor
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    Lawson, that is good news.

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  • Lawson
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    Welp, looks like the whole thing has been averted. About an hour ago they reached a bargaining agreement so the strike is off.

    I appreciate all the information everyone has afforded me. I put together some informational packets for my bosses that I will probably go over with them in case this happens again (which Im sure it will).

    We really played it shorthanded this time around. I feel I was the only one actually preparing for the logisitics of the strike management while everyone else was focused on the union agreement. It has been a stressful week, Im glad this is all dwindling down and we have been able to get a little taste of the spice without a can of OC being poured down our throat.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by BHR Lawson View Post
    Augh... so I come into work tonight and wow... things are just going to hell in a handbasket. I don't think our Security staff understands how volatile of an issue this can potentially become. Ive got one S/O who is saying he's going to come in on his off time and join the picket line. I dont think he understands that he can support the union but the union isn't going to support him. Ive got another S/O that says she's going to bring in her kids and some puppies to help bring a "calming mood."

    Can someone just shoot me now?
    The one guy is brilliant.

    The second woman is even more brilliant.

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  • Lawson
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    Augh... so I come into work tonight and wow... things are just going to hell in a handbasket. I don't think our Security staff understands how volatile of an issue this can potentially become. Ive got one S/O who is saying he's going to come in on his off time and join the picket line. I dont think he understands that he can support the union but the union isn't going to support him. Ive got another S/O that says she's going to bring in her kids and some puppies to help bring a "calming mood."

    Can someone just shoot me now?

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Do not forget, many northern states actually have codified laws regarding security and strikes.

    In Minnesota, it is illegal for security personnel to do a bunch of things that are considered normal when a strike is going on. This includes being off the property, videotaping anyone who is part of the strike from a point off the property, attempting to enforce any rule or law violated by a striker while off the property, etc.

    The law is very fearful that security guards, being paid thugs of the owner, will attack strikers. Cold reality here: A lot of northern states see private security as a hired strikebreaker force, and laws are established to prevent it and punish security personnel criminally if they do anything that is considered "strike breaking."

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  • HotelSecurity
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    I still disagree with the no talking to strikers however. For one thing, one day the strike/lockout will be over, you will have to work together again. And the second, from experience is I learned valuable information from the strikers. Such as when they were going to picket in front of our head office, owner's home, how the votes were going.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by alamedaad View Post
    This is a minor issue in light of all the legal type things you have going, but you should also invest in earplugs for officers who will be posted in the vicinity of strikers (the cheap foam ones that come in the little cardboard pinch pockets should do the trick). I worked hotel security during a strike in San Francisco back in 2004 and, after the strike was over, we had a guard who had been posted on the perimeter of the building for a great deal of the time the strikers were active who filed a worker's compensation claim due to suffering hearing loss from the constant noise of the chanting strikers. He settled out of court with the company, but still got a decent chunk of change. Make sure that you are not subjecting your employees to anything dangerous or hazardous to their health during the strike.
    Chatting? You were lucky the last lock out we had whistle blowing all day long!

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  • alamedaad
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    This is a minor issue in light of all the legal type things you have going, but you should also invest in earplugs for officers who will be posted in the vicinity of strikers (the cheap foam ones that come in the little cardboard pinch pockets should do the trick). I worked hotel security during a strike in San Francisco back in 2004 and, after the strike was over, we had a guard who had been posted on the perimeter of the building for a great deal of the time the strikers were active who filed a worker's compensation claim due to suffering hearing loss from the constant noise of the chanting strikers. He settled out of court with the company, but still got a decent chunk of change. Make sure that you are not subjecting your employees to anything dangerous or hazardous to their health during the strike.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Silva Consultants View Post
    SecTrainer,

    These are some great tips. Item #5 on your list reminds me of something that happened to me about ten years ago. I was on a team assisting a client with strike preparation for an industrial facility. One of the team members made the point that security officers should know where the property lines are, and as it turned out, there was disagreement amongst the client's staff on exactly where the property lines were. Wanting to know for sure, the client hired a surveyor to mark the boundaries. As it turned out, the fence line and gate houses were about 75' outside of the client's property line, and had been for more than 20 years. The senior management of the company was furious that surveyors had been called by the planning team..
    That'll teach management not to negotiate!

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  • SecTrainer
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    Here are a couple of resources that might help:

    Strike Guide. Ignore the fact that this is from SRC with an obvious bias - it still has good ideas.

    PreStrike Planning. This is a PDF file and takes a little while to load due to graphics, but it's only 11 pages long. Again, some good ideas.

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  • Silva Consultants
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    5. Make sure all security personnel know where the property lines are and remain within it while not escorting employees across the picket line.
    SecTrainer,

    These are some great tips. Item #5 on your list reminds me of something that happened to me about ten years ago. I was on a team assisting a client with strike preparation for an industrial facility. One of the team members made the point that security officers should know where the property lines are, and as it turned out, there was disagreement amongst the client's staff on exactly where the property lines were. Wanting to know for sure, the client hired a surveyor to mark the boundaries. As it turned out, the fence line and gate houses were about 75' outside of the client's property line, and had been for more than 20 years. The senior management of the company was furious that surveyors had been called by the planning team..

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by BHR Lawson View Post
    This is exactly why I am supporting a very "hands-off" response. We wont be out there with batons and tear gas. We will be out there simply to observe and report.

    Like I said, I am proposing that our S/Os do not even communicate with the strikers unless there is a legitimate reason for communication (such as summoning aid).

    Rather than have S/Os standing constantly at the picket line, I would rather have them continuously moving about the property to ensure no one has slipped by and is causing harm.
    See item #8 above. Security personnel are NOT to be "out there to observe and report", except in the event of injury or property damage.

    I realize this seems very contrary to your conception of security, but a strike is a very different animal security-wise than a facility that is in normal operations. Please believe me, there have been TRUCKLOADS of cases arising out of the actions of security personnel during strikes...many of which seemed perfectly reasonable and permissible at the time.

    This is a totally different game, and many of the "normal" security operations either don't apply, or must be modified.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 10-09-2007, 07:29 PM.

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  • SecTrainer
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    A few things you haven't mentioned - from Fischer & Green, Introduction to Security - pp 436-437. In particular note item #8:

    1. Recover keys from all striking employees who have them.

    2. Suspend validity of regular identification cards for the duration; issue special cards to employees who will not be striking.

    3. Check all fire and intrusion alarms and sprinkler systems after employees walk out.

    4. Move property that might be damaged away from the perimeter. Consider whether windows near the perimeter need to be boarded or otherwise protected. If possible, remove items at the perimeter that could be used as missiles.

    5. Make sure all security personnel know where the property lines are and remain within it while not escorting employees across the picket line.

    6. Notify any vendors or service personnel who normally serve the facility, find out if they will cross the picket line and make arrangements for other services if they will not do so.

    7. Minimize entry/exits being used to the minimum absolutely required by fire regulations, etc. Secure these as those regulations permit.

    8. "Guards are not to be armed, nor are guards to photograph, tape or report on the conduct of the strikers. The only reports will relate to injury to personnel, or damage to property."

    9. You can also possibly arrange for employees who are working to park off-site and rent a shuttle bus to bring them on-site.

    I would also add a few:

    1. Discharge any patients who can medically be discharged.

    2. Curtail or relocate day treatment services if possible. E.g. - 3 days a week instead of 5.

    3. If there is serious concern about illicit strike activity, consider hiring several third-party TRAINED strike observers. These are NOT security personnel, incidentally, but exactly what their name implies. They know what to observe and how to do it legally.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 10-09-2007, 07:26 PM.

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  • Lawson
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    Originally posted by craig333 View Post
    Prepare for the union to do the same thing. Anything you do that could be misconstrued will also be videotaped.
    Keep in mind the union will probably remind the employees of the long history of security being used as intimidators/thugs (many union members were even killed by company thugs back in the bad old days) and will be watching to see if you act like that.
    This is exactly why I am supporting a very "hands-off" response. We wont be out there with batons and tear gas. We will be out there simply to observe and report.

    Like I said, I am proposing that our S/Os do not even communicate with the strikers unless there is a legitimate reason for communication (such as summoning aid).

    Rather than have S/Os standing constantly at the picket line, I would rather have them continuously moving about the property to ensure no one has slipped by and is causing harm.

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  • craig333
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    Prepare for the union to do the same thing. Anything you do that could be misconstrued will also be videotaped.
    Keep in mind the union will probably remind the employees of the long history of security being used as intimidators/thugs (many union members were even killed by company thugs back in the bad old days) and will be watching to see if you act like that.

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