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    I know this may have been discussed in the past, i am not defaming or flaming police officers, i am just stating my experiences with them here in my City.

    Well first off let me say i support the police, and would like to not be flamed or troll attacked for posting my opinions here.

    Lets Travel back in time a little bit, back to the end of 2001 begining of 2002, I had landed my first Security Officer job, working for a company called sentinel guard systems in California, i worked in a 42 floor High - Rise Building in the Heart of downtown on sansom and sutter streets, the police officers there often trained us in things like suspect identifaction, things to look for when looking for possible explosive devices, drug identifaction and how to interact with those that may be on drugs. We had a good working relationship with the police anytime they were called out, they didnt treat us like thier lessor, they treated us equal, we often would let them stop in and use our non-public restrooms as long as they signed in, they did not have a problem signing in at the desk. Things were great San Francisco Police had a respect for security from what i have dealt with.

    Daly City, Ca - Daly City Police actually gave us a police radio to use in case of emergency we had a direct line to the PD that we could take and go mobile with, Daly city Police also Treated us well sometimes, depending on which department, parking very well, street patrol and dispatch very well, narc/undercover very crappy, let me explain, i once had a recovered stolen vehicle daly city pd treated us equal, parking would cite handicap violations if we called them they treated us equal. now once i had about 6 or 7 narc/uc police officers on site, they flashed thier badges to me as they pulled into the parking lot while i was doing an exterior round on the property i was assigned to, now they hung around starbucks for about 1 hr, then went over by the movie theatre ,(i didnt know some where pd) i then say about 10-15 people looking like they were in a scuffle, so i go outside to appoarch taking the dispatch radio with me, as i approached i was told to go back to the office and they would stop by and talk with me to give me a run-down on what happened, but they never came back in however durning this event i had cameras focused to thier location, but they never came back, so my IR which i was supposed to do was a little bit bland it was something to the effect of, pd was onsite, something happened by the theather, not sure if any one was arrested or not, pd said they would stop by, they never did to debrief me.

    Okay now....

    While working a section 8 property here in Utah, i had the local police tell me my job was to be access control only, to allow people in and off property, i was not nor should i care about things like minors in posseion of alcohol, they told me, that how do you know thats actually alcohol, and not water in the beer bottles to make themselves look cool, i stated i honestly dont know, but how do we not know its not alcohol, they then stated well they are in their house although they were climbing up and down the balcony so we (police) cant do anything about it, i stated to them my boss said that you guys would come out and cite them, we know adrian has warrents as the last time you guys came out and cited he had some hits, i then stated well i could call my boss and you guys can talk to him if you want to he is ex-police officer, they stated oh well theres no need to do that, we are police and we are telling you, your job is only access control, not to be worring about law enforcement activies, if some one is breaking the law we will handle thats what we do, not you. (this is were i got sour with the police, since this incident i have not cared for police officers to well) I then at this point bit my lip, I then waited till the police left, called my boss and yelled at him about this incident telling him that even though i told them what you had told me, they told me this (see above), I then stated maybe we should call their watch commander and file a complaint, he stated no, because if we do and SHTF on property and by chance those two officers show back up, they will be reluctant to do anything. however i still continued doing my duties after they left, i was pissed i wanted to tresspass those two from property but withheld doing so, my image of SLCPD is forever tarnished because of these two.

    Salt Lake County Sheriff - Only had to call them a few times once for a wanted fugitive that absconed from washington, and weber county jail here in utah, they seemed very helpful, in directing me to whom i should talk to (4-way call SLCPD, SLCSO, Weber County SO, washington dept of corrections) about 5-10 mins after placing call two SLCPD officers came to property and arrested the wanted individual. i told them i wanted to remain anomious in the case, as for fear of retailation as the gentle man was a gang member, the case went down as an Undercover Police officer made the arrest.

    Taylorsville PD- The police officers here were respect ful and actually thanked me for calling them, i had worked a property were there were some RVs that had broken windows and graffiti on them, i called them in as break ins, suspcious circumstances, the officer that responded meet up with me and stated these were old break ins on two of them, and on the other they had no case, but it didnt not appear that any were reported stolen, they attempted to locate owner of the pick up that had been stripped and gutted, but no luck negivate info in NCIC, or whatever they were using to verify phone numbers, address and etc. The officer thanked me for being vigilant and told me to call anytime if something doesnt feel right, as it is better to be safe then sorry.


    Murray PD - Thier officers upset me too, a few times they came on property lights flashing, i would try to appoarch and they would peel off, and leave property, a few times they drove threw spot lighting the property looking for something or someone, i once again would try to appoarch even flaggin my arms around they would not stop and talk to me, although i may have seen who or what they are looking for.


    So all in all, my experience with police has in some cases been professional with the police officers williing to work with security and seeing us as an equal, however most of the time it is the latter of cops not wanting to work with security and thinking of us as bumps on a log, stupid , wannabe or whatever.
    Its not how we die that counts.....
    Its not how we lived that counts....
    all that matters is how we saved that one life that one time by being in the right place at the right time....

  • #2
    I just would like this image of security to change in the minds of police officers, i find typically it is usually the older and seasoned police officer whom do not like to work with security and rather the younger officers that do not mind, If find the younger officers most of the time appercaite security personal.

    ill give another example. working mall security i found a drug kit in the stair ways in the parking garge i call SLCPD, to come and evidence or dispose of the drugs, the cop comes to the security office,walks out side dumps the contents in to trash can where some one can come and pick the rocks out of it, putting the drugs back on the street because he did want to do the paperwork or whatever.
    Its not how we die that counts.....
    Its not how we lived that counts....
    all that matters is how we saved that one life that one time by being in the right place at the right time....

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    • #3
      I can't honestly say I would have done any different.
      "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
      "The Curve" 1998

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      • #4
        Cops

        The police here differ from day to day. Some days I get the officer who appreciates the heads up to a suspicious vehicle, the next it's the officer with a stick up his arse, mad that I called about a fight. I will say that 90% of the PD calls I have made have been handled very well and the officers are usually very cooperative. One of our higher ups used to work with the local PD, so they seem to be willing to help out an old friend.

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        • #5
          Its' unfortunate that you have had such experiences. I share your fustration because it is equally unfortunate that they are not isolated incidents.

          You would think that front line LEO's would have at least some common basic respect for S/O's but the fact is most do not, in part, because some LEO's see S/O's as an intrusion upon their turf while others see it as taking away their ability to make off duty money at 30 bucks an hour, which is often more than what they make on duty.

          Likewise, many if not the majority of employers do not make things easy for S/O's when they fail or refuse to have some backbond and defend their S/O's against the ignorant instructions of client's who simply just don't have a clue about security, or the LEO who demeans the S/O.

          I have often strongly advocated the need for S/O's to become as educated as they possibly can but unfortunately, the risk is that when one does this very thing, they can be seen as a liability rather than an asset, and then treated accordingly.

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          • #6
            Hate to say it, but better get use to it and suck it up. It's the way things work. You have state police that don't like county or city police, and county or city police that don't like state police. You have cops in the SAME department that don't like cops in their department. You have fed's that don't like any cops, and cops that don't like feds. You have firefighters and EMT's that don't like cops, and cops that don't like firefighters and EMT's. It's just the way it is. We're human, and life is not perfect.

            My business partner is a federal agent, and was stopped by a police officer. Apparently this cop had major attitude, and continued with his major attitude, dispite learning that he was secret service. Welp, he was issued a ticket, and needless to say there was a meeting with the chief of this department. Point is.. doesn't matter who you are.. you will still get (expletive) cops to deal with.
            "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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            • #7
              When I started in this busines in the mid 70s Montreal Police concidered all private secuirty to be "gardiens". (Watchmen). Over the years we became more respected. By the mid 90s a police officer coming to an hotel to investigate something would ask to speak to the Security officer on duty instead of the Front Desk Duty Manager. Then 2 things happened. Hotels started cutting their daytime security & the police switched to community policing where guests had to go to the station to make report for most incidents where the suspect was no long on the scene. Over the years we had come to know the police patrolling the hotel district. As a result of these 2 things we are almost back to the days when we were thought of as Watchmen. One thing that helps once in a while is that a lot of the new police officers have wprked in security while attending Plice Technology in college.
              I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
              Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Christopherstjo View Post
                You would think that front line LEO's would have at least some common basic respect for S/O's
                Respect is earned. And there are A LOT of S/Os who seem to go out of their way to squander what respect local police have for Private Security.

                I spent 3 years as a full time Private S/O and another 2 years after that as a part time S/O and part time cop, and not once did I have a bad experiance with a City/county/State cop (in any of the cities or towns I worked in, most in North Texas), hell I got lots of compliments (including the top compliment a cop will give anyone, "hey, you ever thought about joining the force?"). I'm serious, not once as a private S/O. I've had more trouble with Dallas PD or Dallas County SO as a Public College cop than I ever did as a private S/O, and even then that's been really minimal.

                But I've worked with S/O after S/O after S/O who always had run ins with cops and had nothing nice to say about them either.

                And those S/Os never ever could understand that their over-reaching (and even worse, their palpable need to be accepted as an equal by the cops, which makes you look desperate) was the cause of their problems. I just didn't care what they (the cops)thought, I just did my job, but I knew how to interact with them on the rare occasion I had to call them, and after dealing with some of the more outrageous S/Os, quiet but firm little me was a breath of fresh air.

                I've always believed that if S/Os worried less about what the cops think and stop trying to over-compensate, they'd have less trouble with the cops and thus less frustration (and maybe better relations). Some cops are going to be A-holes no matter what you do, so why worry?
                ~Black Caesar~
                Corbier's Commandos

                " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                • #9
                  I've read past threads like this, they all go something like this. Police are a**holes because I didn't like the response I got when I called them. Why don't they treat us like equals. The police are judging all security officers based on the actions of a couple.

                  Well isn't that what is happening when negative posts are made about police officers. Certain individuals make judgements about police based on the actions of a couple of officers.

                  I wouldn't count on being treated as equals by all cops, heck we don't even treat each others like equals. The city PD in my county thinks their Sh*t doesn't stink and alot of them treat the deputies like crap. Heck, the custody deputies treat my unit like crap when we book a suspect into county jail, and they kiss the PD's butt.

                  Personally, I have great respect for most security officers. I was one once, and know what a challenging job it is. I also know some of the security officers that patrol the projects near my campus. They are basically the police for the housing. Most of their officers are squared away, (my son's godfather used to work for the company) and have at least 832 pc training (the law of arrest training for California).

                  My advise is not to worry about what "respect" you are getting. If you happen to run into a few bad apples, just remember when dealling with them what Butthead once said, "Beavis you can't polish a turd."

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                  • #10
                    i had good experience with my local PD. There all pretty nice, and have a excellent response time if I call them. I respect the police (i'm trying to be one myself) so I treat them with the most respect. whenever there on my post making rounds I talk to them or just wave to them. I would say they respect me just as much as I respect them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DeputyJ View Post
                      I wouldn't count on being treated as equals by all cops, heck we don't even treat each others like equals. The city PD in my county thinks their Sh*t doesn't stink and alot of them treat the deputies like crap. Heck, the custody deputies treat my unit like crap when we book a suspect into county jail, and they kiss the PD's butt.
                      It's like that everywhere. I'll quote myself here:
                      Originally posted by Black Caesar View Post

                      funny lil side note:

                      I was watching "The Guardian" the other night, and earlier that day i'd dealt with a somewhat rude Dallas cop.

                      Not going to spoil this excellant movie for anyone who hasn't seen it (you really should), but at one point Kevin Costner is talking to Aston Kutcher after an incident with some Navy guys and says (paraphrasing) "They look down on us because they are combat oriented and we're about protection 1st, but we're all military"..

                      ......Which is a point of friction between campus cops and municipal police also (and I figure private security feels the same way).....

                      I laughed, because I realised that the United States Coast Guard is the "Campus Police" of the Military .
                      Looks like the guys in your unit are the "Coast Guards" of you're Department .
                      ~Black Caesar~
                      Corbier's Commandos

                      " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                      • #12
                        DeputyJ

                        Interesting the more posts I read of your the more convinced I am that you actually might just work in the area, LOL. The City guys here have almost the same level of apathy for the county guys that you describe.

                        What's kinda funny, is how the city pays almost $1000 more month, so SO guys will jump ship, and the second that cute city PD badge is upon them they start bashing the SO, that they just came from!

                        In my city a S/O can from hero one day to village idiot the next, and back again. The cops here are similar in nature to sharks. They even turn on themselves, well tha majority. Truely sad... I've never seen cops like this anywhere I have lived...

                        Yes, BC, we are like the coast guard, in many ways.
                        ~Super Ninja Sniper~
                        Corbier's Commandos

                        Nemo me impune lacessit

                        Grammical and Spelling errors may occur form time to time. Yoov bin worned

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                        • #13
                          Valley,

                          We have alot of guys and gals who jump ship to the PD, about 25 percent come back (usually the ones who talked the most smack about our department). The deputies who leave and stay gone, for the most part are usually stand up people and don't forget they were once SD.

                          It's the PD, that were never SD, or any other law enforcement agency that expect us to worship the ground they walk on. However, all the bullsh*t goes away when a 10-25 is called, unleast until it's code 4.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DeputyJ View Post
                            Valley,

                            We have alot of guys and gals who jump ship to the PD, about 25 percent come back (usually the ones who talked the most smack about our department). The deputies who leave and stay gone, for the most part are usually stand up people and don't forget they were once SD.

                            It's the PD, that were never SD, or any other law enforcement agency that expect us to worship the ground they walk on. However, all the bullsh*t goes away when a 10-25 is called, unleast until it's code 4.
                            Codes are cool!!!!!!

                            If ya know what they mean.
                            ATTN. SPECOPS AND GECKO45 my secret username is CIDDECEP and I am your S2. My authorization code is Six Wun Quebec Oscar Fife. Your presence here is tactically dangerous and compromises our overall mission parameter. Cease and desist all activity on this board. Our “enemies” are deft at computer hacking and may trace you back to our primary locale. You have forced me to compromise my situation to protect your vulnerable flank. This issue will be addressed later.

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                            • #15
                              I thought 10-25 was universal, my bad. It's a call for back-up, of course code 4 means everything is undercontrol.

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