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  • #16
    Originally posted by Black Caesar View Post
    ???

    Are you saying a off-duty Florida cop can't enforce the rules of his off duty employer? Why (are off duty cops not considered agents of management?) And If so, then yep, still glad I'm in Texas.
    The State of Florida cannot involve themselves in civil matters between tenants and landlord. They may enforce criminal laws, yes. But when the State of Florida, the Government, tells you that you have the wrong color blinds, this blurs the line of between private citizen (the corporation) and the government (a sworn LEO in full uniform.)

    Law Enforcement Officers in Florida, when off duty, still wear their police uniforms, and are still representatives of the government. Which means that the government is enforcing civil contract between landlord and tenant.

    That's the whole thing: The Government of the United States of America is now an agent of a private citizen, conducting its bidding in civil matters, with the full weight and authority of the Government.
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #17
      Was this the one that they were bitching "You guys can't control the property, and you can't stop cars" at gate houses built on public streets?

      Newsflash: Not even a law enforcement officer can stop a vehicle without PC on a public street and deny it entry.

      Some of these places always amuse me, having public streets and declaring themselves "gated communities," when its illegal to close the gates. (Interference with Right of Way.)
      Some Kind of Commando Leader

      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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      • #18
        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
        The State of Florida cannot involve themselves in civil matters between tenants and landlord. They may enforce criminal laws, yes. But when the State of Florida, the Government, tells you that you have the wrong color blinds, this blurs the line of between private citizen (the corporation) and the government (a sworn LEO in full uniform.)

        Law Enforcement Officers in Florida, when off duty, still wear their police uniforms, and are still representatives of the government. Which means that the government is enforcing civil contract between landlord and tenant.

        That's the whole thing: The Government of the United States of America is now an agent of a private citizen, conducting its bidding in civil matters, with the full weight and authority of the Government.
        And what I'm saying is, that if that's somehow "wrong" then every private policeman and woman in the country is then likewise wrong. NC private police (for example) are sworn by a local government authority before they begin enforcing laws (and rules) on someone's private property. Is this not the same thing?

        What it boils down to (to me) is that the some on the private side of the equation what to have the cake and eat it too. Even some on this board seem to want S/Os to have authority above that of a normal citizen (evidenced by pushes in various places for greater S/O arrest authority and the ability to arrest for more than just felonies and breaches of the peace).

        Well, if "private" security is going to "meddle" in "public" safety and public emergency response, you've the got to accept the reverse, Off Duty and Private (and in some cases on duty and public) Law Enforcement "encroaching" on the private sector, heck it's simple Yin and Yang. If you don't want to split the private pie but instead want "clearly defined lines" between LE and "PriSec" (my new word for private security, spiffy ain't it ), well, that goes both ways, now doesn't it? Keep off the other guy's (public) patch if you want him off yours.

        Me personally, I (obviously) don't see a problem with Hybrid solutions in either direction within reasonable bounds. What works works, and sometimes, as much as some of y'all hate to admit it, a cop works best in a certain situation. Other times you need S/O. And then sometimes you need people who wear both hats like me...
        Last edited by Black Caesar; 09-05-2007, 04:55 PM.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Black Caesar View Post
          Me personally, I (obviously) don't see a problem with Hybrid solutions in either direction within reasonable bounds. What works works, and sometimes, as much as some of y'all hate to admit it, a cop works best in a certain situation. Other times you need S/O. And then sometimes you need people who wear both hats like me...

          I completely agree with BC with regard to hybridization (that a word?). I have dealt with individuals with numerous outstanding warrants. A call to local LE was made and confirmed through LE. They send Officers/Deputies and the subject wants to leave before LE arrives (subject has no clue). Therefore, he/she is free to leave. And all I can do is watch them leave........All the while thinking " If only..."
          Last edited by Hank1; 09-05-2007, 05:40 PM.
          " We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle, our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on one hand and of overwhelming force on the other" - General George C. Marshall

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