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    On another thread we were talking about manditory id. Where you are located, what is valid id? Here some people think social insurance cards are. However the police computers in my area file the information by name & date of birth. Therefore any valid id here needs the date of birth on it. Since we have Medicare & it requires your Medicare card to get treatment in a hospital, most people have their medicare card with them. (It also contains a photo).
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    Driver's & Shooter's licenses, permits & Passports... additionally there is an Id card available from the State police called a 'keypass' obtainable through local Police Stations when supplied with appropriate proof of Id (usually younger people who don't have a driver's license) for a nominal fee
    "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill

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    • #3
      I dont know if we have any type of mandatory ID laws here... I go out into public all the time w/o carrying any form of ID.
      "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
      "The Curve" 1998

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      • #4
        Most people don't know about mandatory ID laws. I found out when a deputy cited a 16 year old for not having ID on him.

        There's over 1000 Florida Statutes, for example, and quite a few are criminal. Most people don't know about laws unless there's a huge campaign to educate the public.
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #5
          Government issued photo ID. Doesn't matter what it is for, what level of government issues it. Just a government issued photo ID.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HotelSecurity View Post
            On another thread we were talking about manditory id. Where you are located, what is valid id? Here some people think social insurance cards are. However the police computers in my area file the information by name & date of birth. Therefore any valid id here needs the date of birth on it. Since we have Medicare & it requires your Medicare card to get treatment in a hospital, most people have their medicare card with them. (It also contains a photo).
            Unless showing government or police, I'd strongly advise people not to use things such as their Social Insurance card or health card for ID, at least in Ontario health cards are not advised due to fraud. I'm not sure how the health cards work in Quebec though.

            Personally if someone wants to see something in addition to my drivers licence I'll show them my PAL (firearms licence) Canadian Forces ID is also acceptable ID.
            I'm the guy you don't want to be around when your doing something wrong, but you can't wait for me to get there when your down, to fix you up...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JB diligence View Post
              Unless showing government or police, I'd strongly advise people not to use things such as their Social Insurance card

              I give hell to hotel front desk staff all the time for excepting Social Insurance cards. There is no picture, date of birth or address on them. As far as I know they are not recorded in the police data base either so are pretty useless as id. (Except when applying for a job so the tax department(s) know you are working.
              I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
              Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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              • #8
                http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/...-circuit-city/

                Check this out. Comments on refusing to show ID?

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                • #9
                  To sell liquor in CA the ID must:
                  1. Be valid from a State of Federal gov. / or passport
                  2. Have a picture
                  3. Birthdate
                  4. Name
                  5. Height and weight

                  The biggest mistake people make with IDs is not taking time to look at the picture. Ive sent my buddy (who is half black) into stores to buy stuff on my credit card and ID, no questions asked.


                  Originally posted by LPCap View Post
                  http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/...-circuit-city/

                  Check this out. Comments on refusing to show ID?
                  This guy sound like one of those "lawyer know-it-all" type that I'm sure most of the guards in here have delt with. What an ass-hat. But still... I think the law was on his side.

                  Reminds me of a guy I tossed from my nightclub, "old school" style, we threw him into the street. Then he gets up and squares off with the 3 of us while proclaiming "Im a lawyer! you can't do that!" At which point the head bouncer throws him on the ground and cuffs him. (The head bouncer hates lawyers... and has a very close relationship with the beat cops)
                  Last edited by BoyInBlue; 09-05-2007, 05:46 PM.
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                  • #10
                    If a store posts a highly visable sign saying something like "we reserve the right to check your bags' have you not entered into some kind of contract with the store when you enter it. (I mean if a bounty hunter can enter your home....)
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                    • #11
                      I read this on Digg.

                      Basically, "people" are tired of being treated like "criminals," and are now seeking these situations out. Digg is full of malcontents and idiots (and the occasional funny internet meme), and they thrive off this stuff.

                      "THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY, I AM NOT A CRIMINAL, I'LL KICK THE ASS OF ANY RENT-A-COP WHO WANTS TO STOP ME."

                      Remember folks, the 11th of September, a general protest is scheduled where every wackjob, ya hoo, malcontent, and anarchist will subert any anti-government or anti-Bush or anti-whatever message into Random. Senseless. Violence.

                      Look at the bicycle rally that turned into a fight when the anarchists showed up. People are "tired" of "the Bush Police State," and they're galvanizing each other to TAKE ON THE MAN.

                      Everything has come to a head, its all about BUSH'S SHADOW POLICE or some crap.
                      Some Kind of Commando Leader

                      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                      • #12
                        Passports are not legal in CA for alcohol purchase. They do not list height and weight. They are however legal for gambling in CA. I work in a casino that sells alcohol. This somethimes makes it interesting as the waitresses assume we have checked ID's, even though we tell them not to serve alcohol unless they have checked personally. I do believe that in CA a police officer can detain someone for up to 72 hours, or until identity is confirmed, whichever is shorter, if they do not have ID. I do not think it is used very often.
                        "Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists. " Author Unknown

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                        • #13
                          most places here in AZ accept all state DLs and IDs, some require two forms of id if out of state, passports, and mexico federal electoral id cards. Some places will accept other mexico ids but its not smart because no way to tell if they are real or not.

                          here in AZ if you are over 18 you are technically required to carry id on you at all times but you will never see a cop cite or arrest for it.

                          when i ask for id I usually don't care what it is as long as it has their name and hopefully a birthdate. This is because I work around a lot of mexicans and illegals so I can never understand what the hell they are saying because they say both first and last names run together, can't pronounce v's/b's and a whole mess of things, and they are usually trying to talk fast so i don't understand.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Andy Taylor View Post
                            Passports are not legal in CA for alcohol purchase. They do not list height and weight. They are however legal for gambling in CA. I work in a casino that sells alcohol. This somethimes makes it interesting as the waitresses assume we have checked ID's, even though we tell them not to serve alcohol unless they have checked personally. I do believe that in CA a police officer can detain someone for up to 72 hours, or until identity is confirmed, whichever is shorter, if they do not have ID. I do not think it is used very often.
                            Passports are acceptable. After all, how else would foreigners purchase alcohol? Anyways most foreign counties list height and weight on the passport (in cm).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dannyr619 View Post
                              Passports are acceptable. After all, how else would foreigners purchase alcohol? Anyways most foreign counties list height and weight on the passport (in cm).
                              Passports follow an international standard. There is a picture, surname, given names,citizenship, date of birth, sex, city & country of birth, issue date, where issued, expiry date & signature. NO height and weight.
                              I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                              Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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