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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Hank1 View Post
    Trainer~
    Was this the "on-line" course you are referring to? I have never used it.
    Yup. Very informative and practical.

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  • Hank1
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    I read KC's books when I ran a fairly extensive open-source CI operation on the company not long ago, Hank. You could see the "broken windows" influence (and other aspects of Jack Maples' excellent work in New York City) on CCBPI, for sure. Craig Gundry also runs an excellent ATO course (don't plan on completing it in the estimated 18 hours!), although I wasn't entirely happy with the learning platform itself, which is a little primitive.
    Trainer~
    Was this the "on-line" course you are referring to? I have never used it.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
    I know that some critics say that Broken Windows doesn't work, simply because it was a code word for "Lean on em." The thing is, leaning on "them," so long as "them" are people who chronically commit criminal offenses and not people of a race or wahtever, works.
    I think this is a quote from the Old Testament, centuries ago: "The little foxes spoil the vines."

    Large problems don't usually just spring up from nowhere; they usually have their origins in smaller problems that were ignored. It's "just" an abandoned building...today. They're "just" loitering on the corner...today. We just have a "few" junk cars...today. All he did was give his coworker a bit-too-familiar hug...today. He only pocketed a couple of bucks from the till...today.

    Tomorrow is another story.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    I know that some critics say that Broken Windows doesn't work, simply because it was a code word for "Lean on em." The thing is, leaning on "them," so long as "them" are people who chronically commit criminal offenses and not people of a race or wahtever, works.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Hank1 View Post
    Our K9 units, when on duty have been used at that location as a deterent. If the dog is not available, we have numerous officers as a show of force. As far as our ability to protect our communities, we have been extremely successful in the past 16 years. However, some properties are more difficult to deal with than others. There is no majic bullet or "one size fits all" formula. We do not use illegal tactics, we accomplish the mission and get the job done. The CEO has published two books on his philosophy of Character and Community Based Protection Innitiative also known as CCBPI. Furthermore, I would like to add with the limitations placed on us by the great State of Florida with our success I think speaks volumes. But, that's just me.

    Be safe,

    Hank
    I read KC's books when I ran a fairly extensive open-source CI operation on the company not long ago, Hank. You could see the "broken windows" influence (and other aspects of Jack Maples' excellent work in New York City) on CCBPI, for sure. Craig Gundry also runs an excellent ATO course (don't plan on completing it in the estimated 18 hours!), although I wasn't entirely happy with the learning platform itself, which is a little primitive.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 08-28-2007, 01:39 PM.

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  • Ron Jessee
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    That's a reason I wish we could be outfitted with stingballs lol. I've done work in predominant mexican communities (by which I mean NO ONE spoke english but me). 98% of them are friendly to downright sweet natured (so what if they can't tell security from ICE).

    But there are some times when the place gets downright 3rd world on you. I'm talking packs of dogs that people let run wild despite the animal ordinances. Or a herd of guys that bring their lunches (AND cerveza) inside the grocery store and sit in a circle against one wall every day thinking they can get away with it. And the big thing that gives me a case of red-in-the-face is the fact that almost all of them pack their kids in everywhere without a single child seat or even a seat belt. I swear with some of these vehicles, a head on collision would bring a nice anime-style missile spread of ejected people.

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  • Hank1
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    Originally posted by Chucky View Post
    Hank I don't think we ever talked about security and dogs before. So what would happen if on the days that the club had a large event you guys borrowed a couple Shepherds for the evening and kept them leashed patrolling between the housing parking and the club. I know that I wouldn't be wanting to loiter or even park close by.

    <------------ a Mini Shepherd
    Our K9 units, when on duty have been used at that location as a deterent. If the dog is not available, we have numerous officers as a show of force. As far as our ability to protect our communities, we have been extremely successful in the past 16 years. However, some properties are more difficult to deal with than others. There is no majic bullet or "one size fits all" formula. We do not use illegal tactics, we accomplish the mission and get the job done. The CEO has published two books on his philosophy of Character and Community Based Protection Innitiative also known as CCBPI. Furthermore, I would like to add with the limitations placed on us by the great State of Florida with our success I think speaks volumes. But, that's just me.

    Be safe,

    Hank
    Last edited by Hank1; 08-28-2007, 01:48 AM.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by Sgt koolaid View Post
    MY hotel holds club 54 Latin night every Friday and Saturday. In the 3 months we been hold the event we had 2 pushing matches one fist fight where the police and EMT's had be called. We avg about 200 people night. The draw back is there one hotel security officer that's me and there are 2 club door men that hit on everything that moves so guess who has to handle the lobby the bar the parking lots me and I think that sucks.
    I'm in the same boat but with no bouncers

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  • CAPTAIN KOOLAID
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    Latin parties

    MY hotel holds club 54 Latin night every Friday and Saturday. In the 3 months we been hold the event we had 2 pushing matches one fist fight where the police and EMT's had be called. We avg about 200 people night. The draw back is there one hotel security officer that's me and there are 2 club door men that hit on everything that moves so guess who has to handle the lobby the bar the parking lots me and I think that sucks.

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  • Chucky
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    Originally posted by Hank1 View Post
    Here in Tampa, we have a Apartment Complex across the street from a well known Latin club. When the club runs out of parking spaces, the club-goers use our resident's parking spaces, park on the grass and block resident vehicles. Before going in and after leaving they loiter, drink and smoke the green leafy substance. Play loud music from their parked vehicles and create a disturbance. We trespass them, tow vehicles and arrest those that require arresting. Any fights or other disturbances almost always end up on our property. But, it is a ongoing problem here and has been for quite some time. Tampa Police Officers are very cooperative in this regard.

    Be safe,

    Hank
    Hank I don't think we ever talked about security and dogs before. So what would happen if on the days that the club had a large event you guys borrowed a couple Shepherds for the evening and kept them leashed patrolling between the housing parking and the club. I know that I wouldn't be wanting to loiter or even park close by.

    <------------ a Mini Shepherd

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  • ddog
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    Originally posted by Echos13 View Post
    This type of "culture" is always coming around at my work. Most of them we are sure are illegals. Others have work permits and drag along the "extra" help. They tend to gather in large groups out at the far end of the parking lot. And they consist of all ages. When they start this loud gathering stuff or start turning the place into a party center we call the Patrol Captain for back up (come October 1st that will no longer be possible) and then try to determine if verbal persuasion will work or not with two armed officers present. If not we call the state and they come rolling in out of the wood work. What is a bummer that the state can't touch them unless they make an offense or violation in regards to state or local laws. The feds will not bother coming out unless they are in the area. So most of these people walk. Those that get arrested end up walking later because they get bailed out by their buddies. We must see close to a thousand a month come threw here. IMHO weather legal or not I believe some of them know the law pretty well and use their "culture" as an excuse to do what they do.
    My experience is profit oriented persons exploit the influx of illegal aliens, and make them do things they would not otherwise do. Then the smarter illegals who do the 'dirty work' of harassing neighbors etc... learn and mimick the exploiters, and share terrorist electronic equipment with other illegals in neighborhood, especially on weekends. In my neighbors case who owns the house which packs 30 illegals per 2 bedroom townhouses(2), appears to be a Vietnamese illegal from years back that has somehow gotten County connections to tolerate his operations for last 6 years until a few months ago: as well as share County electronic technology and County technician assistance.

    In my particular FL neighborhood, the illegals flow in and flow up North as fast as they come in since wage rates really suck here. You just see about 30 little white trash bags for each of the illegals stacked on the sidewalk on trash day when they move out.

    My best guess is Jeb Bush set up a connection to bring illegals in with Cruise ships into FL; and 'legal' Mexican truck drivers allowed by GW Bush into our country ship them up in empty 18 wheel van loads up North. Quite a large illegal trade of $100/week/illegal rent rates and illegal labor business with the County's nationwide. Yes, the politicians are getting the illegals from both ends and US citizens in the process, especially in the Republican Sunshine State and Texas too I'd imagine (or any Republican border State for that matter).

    So latino's understand infrasonic (or subsonic sub woofer) technology, and they somehow learn ultrasonic technology used by Police, mental health, CIA, and FBI institutes through the local County connections. Both ends of the audible sound range are energy sources that share wave length characterictics from electronic and magnetic waves. The 'trick' is not to let neighbors sleep, lose their jobs, and eventually move out of the neighborhood.

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  • bigdog
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
    In Florida, I would wager that the amount that people "don't know the law" goes even as far as the state itself. Licensed guard schools teach that you can remove trespassers by force. Too bad that's a criminal violation of the law.
    That reminds me there is a new draft of the detention by licensed security officers bill in the fl senate. Ill start another thread on it.

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  • Echos13
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    This type of "culture" is always coming around at my work. Most of them we are sure are illegals. Others have work permits and drag along the "extra" help. They tend to gather in large groups out at the far end of the parking lot. And they consist of all ages. When they start this loud gathering stuff or start turning the place into a party center we call the Patrol Captain for back up (come October 1st that will no longer be possible) and then try to determine if verbal persuasion will work or not with two armed officers present. If not we call the state and they come rolling in out of the wood work. What is a bummer that the state can't touch them unless they make an offense or violation in regards to state or local laws. The feds will not bother coming out unless they are in the area. So most of these people walk. Those that get arrested end up walking later because they get bailed out by their buddies. We must see close to a thousand a month come threw here. IMHO weather legal or not I believe some of them know the law pretty well and use their "culture" as an excuse to do what they do.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
    It begs the question, how can this outfit clean up gang and crime infested communities when state law has them so limited in their powers.

    The only thing that I can think of is that the gangsters and criminal element has never been really that smart. They probably think the CIS guys have way more authority than they actually do. It seems to me that if the gangs were versed in Florida law, the CIS guys would be put at a big disadvantage.

    I remember reading something once where something like 97% of security officers had overstepped their authority by doing something that wasn't legal. The article said that the main thing that kept these officers and their employers out of court was the fact that as clueless as security officers were when it came to legal matters, the general public was even more clueless.
    In Florida, I would wager that the amount that people "don't know the law" goes even as far as the state itself. Licensed guard schools teach that you can remove trespassers by force. Too bad that's a criminal violation of the law.

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  • Eric
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    Originally posted by Maelstrom View Post
    Try not to laugh too hard (and ultimately fall off your seat), but it has become fairly common practice here that where there's a build up of loiterers (in a public place) a PA system playing old folk style OR classical music is employed, as such music is considered offensive by many a youth (with more modern tastes)

    If you will an electronic pest repellent LMAO

    I have read that a type of lighting that makes acne "stand out" is also used and works.

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