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I used to work at the hospital but since got a better job in corporate security for a different company.
I have found that in most areas of security and especially health care security the most important thing is not how much equipment you have but rather how well you train with whatever your organization is giving you. For example:
I wore one of those whistles that has a chain that attaches to the thing on your shoulder and the whistle goes in your pocket. It looked cool and I got to use it once in a while when there were car accidents in the lot. One day I had to restrain a pt and the woman grabbed it and it became a weapon that she tried whip me to death with. I put her down and got it back but since then I learned to put the whistle chain in my pocket before going on the psych floor.
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Originally posted by Blade Runner View PostPardon my french, but it sounds like Minnesota is a bunch of hardasses when it comes to regulations on private security."Striking terrific terror in the hearts of criminals everywhere" Since 1977.
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Originally posted by SLW21 View PostI Work In A Hospital In Ky We Work One Man Shifts Alot On Weekends We Have A Mental Health Unit We Can Carry Cuffs Pepper And Keys No Car Before Moving To Ky I Carried In CaI enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.
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Okay, so the Hospital wants to avoid using OC because of social perceptions, potential litigation risks or budgetary constraints (training/supply)? why not opt for the softer alternative to OC spray/foam?
DYEWitness is a non-toxic spray combined with a die that creates a foaming action on contact, as it's not an 'irritant based' application it's legal even under Australia's strict legislation, whilst it's applications for Security are obvious it's also being readily adopted by taxi drivers here to combat fare evasion
More information available @ http://www.dyewitness.com/Last edited by Maelstrom; 10-15-2007, 12:00 AM."We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill
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Maelstrom is this product available in Australia and if so are you aware of where it can be purchased?
I wonder how an SO would go if he/she were to use this as a weapon of defense? Considering in most cases SO's are unarmed and have only there communication skills and a good set of legs as a defense against would be attackers.
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DyeWitness is good if you can't have anything else, but you either need to run very fast, or take the suspect down very hard once its deployed.
OC works through pain, fear, and disorientation. Dyewitness only has fear (possibly) and disorientation, no pain. Hence, they're going to be startled, and you have a few seconds to run or engage. But unlike OC, the disorientation won't last long.Some Kind of Commando Leader
"Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law
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Originally posted by Aussie-SO View PostMaelstrom is this product available in Australia and if so are you aware of where it can be purchased?
EDIT: - I just located another Australian supplier of this product which can be obtained for $50.00 AUD @ Karajan.com
BTW product dimensions are 35mm(D) x 130mm(H)
Originally posted by Aussie-SO View PostI wonder how an SO would go if he/she were to use this as a weapon of defence? Considering in most cases SO's are unarmed and have only there communication skills and a good set of legs as a defence against would be attackers.Last edited by Maelstrom; 10-16-2007, 06:56 AM. Reason: Located additional Australian product supplier"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill
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I have work in a psyciatric ward for 4 years, and have been performing general security for over 20 years. As you may know O.C spray is not allowed by security officers in Australia.
The idea of having O.C spray, batons, weapons and other items within patient reach is frightening. Imagine if a patient got hold of any of those items?
If i arrived at work and confronted a patient with some of those uniforms worn (see above) i would be targeted. Mental health patients hate police (they are usually dragged in by them kicking and screaming) and the uniforms shown are too close to looking like cops for my liking.
The idea at my workplace is to look and dress as less confronting as possible.
I wear a plain blue shirt with "security" written on the back, and dark blue pants. No baton, spray, cuffs, gun.
We have been trained in aggression minimisation techniques and use these techniques everyday. We have also been trained in self defence and 5 point takedown manouveres, 1 person for each arm, 1 for each leg and 1 to support the head and neck on the way down. This doesn't always work of course.
I will try to attach copies of our "zero tolerance to aggression" policy and procedure on a different forum page.We haven't had trouble for a while, Let's cancel security!
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