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  • #16
    Born and raised Canadian, I feel almost a stranger living here in my own country at times.
    The sick, sad Liberal government and citizen sheep over the past 50 years have almost wholly neutered our military and killed a good portion of spending on defence.
    What our current Conservative government has been doing is trying to play "catch up" and trying to undo the misdeeds of the eunuch Liberals.
    Most recently, our Customs agents at the border were permitted to be selected and trained for carrying sidearms.

    In a world where the rules only apply to the lawful, the lawless seem to be free of any restrictions and when caught are sentenced to a slap on the wrist, given credit for time served in custody and freed to re-offend at will.

    Most private security that I know of in Canada cannot carry even pepper spray or batons in their work. I'm not talking armored car guards, I'm talking front line security guards at hospitals, airports, malls, industrial, commercial and construction sites. Here, if you carry a baton or pepper spray (Mace or OC or any type of aerosol weapon or defensive device), you are opening yourself to criminal charges (moreso if you use it).

    I've seen the quality of many guards in what can often be seen as a "warm body" industry and I wholly support any sort of legislation that would enable mandatory testing and licensing of any security officer in carrying a baton, pepper spray or handcuffs in the performance of their duty. Included in that would be any testing for re-qualification to carry any of those items.

    Heaven forbid that we actually be given the tools to perform our job correctly and then when we are prevented from safely detaining and arresting a criminal we are held to further derision and ridicule for being ineffective.

    Sadly, most citizens of this country would only nod and bow when the liberals want to give the criminals more rights than law enforcement.
    Last edited by metalgolem; 08-27-2007, 12:37 AM. Reason: Sentence structure/spelling :P

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    • #17
      Originally posted by metalgolem View Post
      In a world where the rules only apply to the lawful, the lawless seem to be free of any restrictions and when caught are sentenced to a slap on the wrist, given credit for time served in custody and freed to re-offend at will.
      Sadly that seems to be the world all over, the more enlightened human beings we try/claim to be... the opposite of that reality becomes ever increasingly apparent

      In short, there's far too many oxygen thieves in the world, assisted by political correctness gone insane!
      "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill

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      • #18
        Originally posted by metalgolem View Post
        Born and raised Canadian, I feel almost a stranger living here in my own country at times.
        The sick, sad Liberal government and citizen sheep over the past 50 years have almost wholly neutered our military and killed a good portion of spending on defence.
        What our current Conservative government has been doing is trying to play "catch up" and trying to undo the misdeeds of the eunuch Liberals.
        Most recently, our Customs agents at the border were permitted to be selected and trained for carrying sidearms.

        In a world where the rules only apply to the lawful, the lawless seem to be free of any restrictions and when caught are sentenced to a slap on the wrist, given credit for time served in custody and freed to re-offend at will.

        Most private security that I know of in Canada cannot carry even pepper spray or batons in their work. I'm not talking armored car guards, I'm talking front line security guards at hospitals, airports, malls, industrial, commercial and construction sites. Here, if you carry a baton or pepper spray (Mace or OC or any type of aerosol weapon or defensive device), you are opening yourself to criminal charges (moreso if you use it).

        I've seen the quality of many guards in what can often be seen as a "warm body" industry and I wholly support any sort of legislation that would enable mandatory testing and licensing of any security officer in carrying a baton, pepper spray or handcuffs in the performance of their duty. Included in that would be any testing for re-qualification to carry any of those items.

        Heaven forbid that we actually be given the tools to perform our job correctly and then when we are prevented from safely detaining and arresting a criminal we are held to further derision and ridicule for being ineffective.

        Sadly, most citizens of this country would only nod and bow when the liberals want to give the criminals more rights than law enforcement.
        I didn't see any changes under Clark, Malroney & Campbell (ok she was Prime Minister for a week, wasn't she?) & they were/are Conservative aren't they?

        BTW the no baton thing is I believe a BC law. I can carry & use a baton in Quebec. I can also buy pepper spray. The Canadian Criminal Code makes it illegal to spray a human with it.
        Last edited by HotelSecurity; 08-27-2007, 06:28 PM.
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        Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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        • #19
          After seeing video footage of Canadian ops in Afghanistan, I will never talk bad about their military. And as to their views of the US, Their media is attacking US policy. I don't take offense to media. It's not like their first priority is factual events anyway.
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          • #20
            Agreed, all countries have problems. I wonder about the Russia take over thing though. Canada was in WW2 in 1939 and the US in, was it 1943?..because any earlier was not the political right time. Canada was a big part of the DEW Line (distant early warning) and NORAD, which I thought were because of the pesky Russians. We also had people in Afganistan before it was reported, along side the US and Briton etc. We are in that same sand box now freeing up other soldiers to tackle other areas.
            I have American relatives, and have met many good people over the years as well. If we just get rid of some of these special interest groups with full time paid organizers.....and the few idiots who bad mouth the US, because those are the minority that are picked up by the media.
            Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
            DITTO, although I can't say it's the only reason. There's also the little problem of their immigration policies. As bad as our own policies might be, there are even worse ones, and Canada has 'em in spades.

            Nice folks, most Canadians, but to me they're a bit too much like your lovable, loony Uncle George who thinks the world is a big cotton-candy factory, that dogs never bite, and that wee fairies will protect him from boogey-men while he sleeps. Of course, we are the ones who have given them the luxury of entertaining their delusions. In a very real sense, Canada has never had to grow up and live in the real world, thanks to us.

            There's one thing that I don't think most Canadians realize. It's a 10-minute walk from Russia to Canada. Had it not been for the US throughout the Cold War, we'd be talking about Torontoskoya, Winnipegski and Ottawaskow right now. Believe it. The only thing that the Soviets probably couldn't have taken would have been Quebec, as there's still some of them little buggers there that know how to fight...and the meaning of the word "liberte".
            Last edited by Eric; 08-28-2007, 08:22 AM.
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            • #21
              The Police associations carry a lot of weight when deciding rules for Security, and will protect their own high paying great benefit roles in society. We have been seeing that in Ontario over the last few years leading up to a revamped Security Officer act.

              Speaking of liberals, did you see this week Dion said the Quebec bill 101 was good for Canada?
              Originally posted by metalgolem View Post
              Heaven forbid that we actually be given the tools to perform our job correctly and then when we are prevented from safely detaining and arresting a criminal we are held to further derision and ridicule for being ineffective.

              Sadly, most citizens of this country would only nod and bow when the liberals want to give the criminals more rights than law enforcement.
              Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted.
              Groucho Marx

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Eric View Post

                Speaking of liberals, did you see this week Dion said the Quebec bill 101 was good for Canada?
                Well Eric I have had to live with it for the past 30 + years (there was Bill 22 before it) & unfortunately I almost have to agree. If it were not for 101 Quebec would certainly have seperated. The fact that the federal govermentS (Liberal & Conservative) did not strike it down took the wind out of the sails of the seperatists.

                As for the Liberals at least Trudeau fought the separatists. Malroney brought them into his cabinet (Bouchard).

                For the non-Canadians, Bill 101 is Quebec's French Language law that was adopted 30 years ago to protect the French language in North America. It severly restricted the use of other languages in Quebec, even Canada's other offical language, English. It has become less oppressive over the years.
                I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                • #23
                  Duh...

                  When was the last time anyone saw a video camera or a communications repeater jump off the wall and subdue a gunman? Just wondering...
                  Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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                  • #24
                    Yeah, my ex girlfriend moved there for about 6 months to work at a studio last year. She had taken french lessons but just doesnt have the tongue for it (no remarks please fellas). She got deported the WEEK after flunking her class.

                    If I may ask- why did Quebec want to secede anyway?
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ron Jessee View Post

                      If I may ask- why did Quebec want to secede anyway?
                      Because there are 350,000,000 English speaking people in North America & only 7,000,000 French speaking people. Quebec businesses operated in English. A lot of Qu├ębecois felt that one day they were going to loose their language. They feel that the best way to protect it would be to set up their own country where English & French are not offical languages & they could protect French better.

                      BTW in the 2 referendums we have had on looking at independance the most the separatists ever got was 49%. It is a lot but shows that "Quebec" did not want to secede, only 49% of the population & thanks in part to Loi 101 this percentage is way down. I believe hard core separatists hover around 20%.
                      I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                      Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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