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  • #31
    If China were to invade the U.S. under false pretense or any pretense for that matter...would you become a "terrorist"? Would you go to any lengths to make life miserable for the occupying force? Would you consider collaborators targets?

    If Iraq were to have kept all of the chemical weapons that our Gov't gave them to kill Iranians, how would that threaten the U.S.? Would they put it inside the notoriously inaccurate and unreliable scud missle?

    There is more than meets the eye in our Gov'ts attack on Iraq but I guarantee you that it was not done with our best intrests at heart.

    Patriotism is a good thing and I get misty eyed during the star spangled banner but I realize that lots of money is at stake and on the table, more money than you or I can even imagine and if a few thousand poor Americans have to die or become horribly injured...well, thats a chance "they" are willing to take.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by talon View Post
      If China were to invade the U.S. under false pretense or any pretense for that matter...would you become a "terrorist"? Would you go to any lengths to make life miserable for the occupying force? Would you consider collaborators targets?

      If Iraq were to have kept all of the chemical weapons that our Gov't gave them to kill Iranians, how would that threaten the U.S.? Would they put it inside the notoriously inaccurate and unreliable scud missle?

      There is more than meets the eye in our Gov'ts attack on Iraq but I guarantee you that it was not done with our best intrests at heart.

      Patriotism is a good thing and I get misty eyed during the star spangled banner but I realize that lots of money is at stake and on the table, more money than you or I can even imagine and if a few thousand poor Americans have to die or become horribly injured...well, thats a chance "they" are willing to take.
      If my Govt has been known to senselessly kill my neighbors, family members, friends, and other people for no reason AND wouldnt hesitate to jerk me out of my house and kill me... If my Govt was notorious for torturing its own citizens, putting down demonstrations by lethal force, allowing police and military forces to have an unchecked hay-day amongst its citizens... If my Govt was known to regulate food, water, electric, and other resources to live to a point my family strugles from month to month... hm... yeah you know... I might look into that collaboration stuff when a foreign army rolls into town to get my govt. to knock that sh!t off.

      I'd also be a little pissed if a foreign army came to town, "liberated us" then just cut and run and left us in anarchy.

      ...but that's just me.


      http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstr...PRTS_73-03.pdf
      Im also having a little trouble finding where the U.S. Govt. sent WMDs to Iraq. If I remember correctly, Govts. did not sell WMDs to Iraq, but private entities did.
      Last edited by Lawson; 08-15-2007, 03:23 PM.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by BHR Lawson View Post
        If my Govt has been known to senselessly kill my neighbors, family members, friends, and other people for no reason AND wouldnt hesitate to jerk me out of my house and kill me... If my Govt was notorious for torturing its own citizens, putting down demonstrations by lethal force, allowing police and military forces to have an unchecked hay-day amongst its citizens... If my Govt was known to regulate food, water, electric, and other resources to live to a point my family strugles from month to month... hm... yeah you know... I might look into that collaboration stuff when a foreign army rolls into town to get my govt. to knock that sh!t off.

        I'd also be a little pissed if a foreign army came to town, "liberated us" then just cut and run and left us in anarchy.

        ...but that's just me.


        http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstr...PRTS_73-03.pdf
        Im also having a little trouble finding where the U.S. Govt. sent WMDs to Iraq. If I remember correctly, Govts. did not sell WMDs to Iraq, but private entities did.

        Well said!
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        • #34
          Originally posted by talon View Post
          If China were to invade the U.S. under false pretense or any pretense for that matter...would you become a "terrorist"? Would you go to any lengths to make life miserable for the occupying force? Would you consider collaborators targets?

          If Iraq were to have kept all of the chemical weapons that our Gov't gave them to kill Iranians, how would that threaten the U.S.? Would they put it inside the notoriously inaccurate and unreliable scud missle?

          There is more than meets the eye in our Gov'ts attack on Iraq but I guarantee you that it was not done with our best intrests at heart.

          Patriotism is a good thing and I get misty eyed during the star spangled banner but I realize that lots of money is at stake and on the table, more money than you or I can even imagine and if a few thousand poor Americans have to die or become horribly injured...well, thats a chance "they" are willing to take.
          Agreed 100%. US interests in Iraq. To save the people from Sadam? Bullsh*t, O-I-L. God help Canada if the US ever needs fresh water
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          • #35
            Six Billion dollars on palettes disappeared. Now they can't account for 80.000 weapons that were sent to the people that have been determined to be the right and just side to back. How about we send them some of our national treasures also. Apparently you guys don't feel human lives that were lost there were enough. Maybe after these ungrateful people in the newly formed government.You know the ones that want us to leave. I mean the guys that want a long vacation while young brave allied troops are dieing in their streets.

            Yep maybe we should hang around and save face like we did in Nam. How come all we heard before this fiasco was we will have no money for social security yet they were able to poop out Billions for what. Had that money been marked to prop up the SS and a real good Homeland security then to me that would have made more sense. Katrina people got squat yet the pres went right to the Twin Cities bridge collapse and announced that the bridge will be rebuilt within the next year. Anyone know what the Twin Cities are hosting in just a little over a year? No matter who gets in this time will anything change I feel not?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Minneapolis Security View Post
              So we went into Iraq for the oil huh? I guess thats why they are selling it for $.50 a gallon by my house then? We probably should be taking their oil to pay for our services, but we aren't.
              No that's why Mobil and all the rest are making profits that exceed any time ever. I wonder who has an interest in oil profits. Hmmmm Stockholders or could it be the same folks that brought you the Iraq war? Or are they all the same folks. Stay tuned for As the oil well turns.
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              • #37
                "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                "The Curve" 1998

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by BHR Lawson View Post
                  If my Govt has been known to senselessly kill my neighbors, family members, friends, and other people for no reason AND wouldnt hesitate to jerk me out of my house and kill me... If my Govt was notorious for torturing its own citizens, putting down demonstrations by lethal force, allowing police and military forces to have an unchecked hay-day amongst its citizens... If my Govt was known to regulate food, water, electric, and other resources to live to a point my family strugles from month to month... hm... yeah you know... I might look into that collaboration stuff when a foreign army rolls into town to get my govt. to knock that sh!t off.

                  I'd also be a little pissed if a foreign army came to town, "liberated us" then just cut and run and left us in anarchy.

                  ...but that's just me.


                  http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstr...PRTS_73-03.pdf
                  Im also having a little trouble finding where the U.S. Govt. sent WMDs to Iraq. If I remember correctly, Govts. did not sell WMDs to Iraq, but private entities did.

                  Ok, when are you signing up?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Chucky View Post
                    No that's why Mobil and all the rest are making profits that exceed any time ever. I wonder who has an interest in oil profits. Hmmmm Stockholders or could it be the same folks that brought you the Iraq war? Or are they all the same folks. Stay tuned for As the oil well turns.
                    Chucky,

                    Do you really believe that Mobil is taking Iraq's oil? If so,do you have any evidence that this has occurred?
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BHR Lawson View Post
                      Thats no help. Tin Foil /sigh I thought everyone knew.

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                      • #41
                        I doubt you can find many countries WITHOUT terrorists, including the good ol USA (you do remember timothy mcveigh, the ecoterrorists etc). Should we invade them all?

                        Saddam was bad man. No argument there. Should we take out every countries bad leader? Hmmm, since over half the world is ruled by bad nasty men that might stretch us a bit thin.

                        I like to look at the bottom line. Are we any safer since invading Iraq than before? Sure doesn't look that way to me.

                        As for threats that have been stopped, how has that happened? Its been good police work, anti terrorism squads, and even Security. Terrorism is extremely ill suited to fought to be fought by conventional military means.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Minneapolis Security View Post
                          Chucky,

                          Do you really believe that Mobil is taking Iraq's oil? If so,do you have any evidence that this has occurred?
                          I could be wrong but one of the seven oil companies CEOs that went before congress and stated that he was the head of Mobil oil and was not ashamed of making a huge profit as that is the American way and what his stock holders pay him to do. If this guy was lying as to who he is then I will concede that point.

                          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110801709.html
                          Quote:
                          ""The hearing is an indication that big oil companies, which have received billions of dollars in tax breaks from Congress, are facing an increasingly hostile audience in Washington. Even some Republican lawmakers, whose party has long been sympathetic to the requests of the industry, are considering a windfall-profit tax for oil companies. Concerns mounted after oil companies recently reported record quarterly profits, including Exxon Mobil's $9.92 billion, up 75 percent from the third quarter last year."

                          If you really want to get technical Mobil and the rest get their oil from OPEC which is a consortium of all Arab producing countries. So it is not exclusively from Iraq. The OPECKERS set the price per barrel and the stock market drives the profit margin. I will bet that you didn't know that most the oil produced from Alaska's Prudhoe Bay Field is shipped to Japan. Why you ask? Because they can get more for it there.

                          Quote:
                          "Oil refiners also have a stake in the bill because some of them fear that opening oil wells would force them to lower their prices. The independent refining companies fear that opening oil wells would force them to lower their prices. The independent refining companies and some state governments fear that oil production in the ANWR would divert jobs to Alaska. In particular, California independent producers claim that Alaskan crude oil has already depressed prices for their production. California independent refiners, however, disagree with this presumption.(16)"

                          Heaven forbid the price of gasoline should go down so under pressure from the aforementioned oil refineries and producers legislation was passed to send oil to China, Korea and our friends Japan. This is just one of the many games our elected officials play to fleece us of our hard earned cash and put profits in their pockets. IMO the natural resources of the U.S. should stay in the U.S. I'll even go so far as to say that the treasures such as Natural Gas, Coal, Oil etc should be regulated. Does it seem odd that milk is regulated by the Govt but not Oil?
                          Last edited by Chucky; 08-15-2007, 10:49 PM.
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                          • #43
                            Ok, let me get this straight... we are fighting a "war on terrorism" by invading a country on false pretense, assassinating its leader, spending upwards of a trillion dollars, 4000 troops dead and thousands more left without arms, legs, sight or worse.

                            All the while having an open border policy where anyone and anything is allowed to cross whenever they feel like it and then prosecute the federal security guards(I mean border patrol) that try to stop it.

                            I have said this before on this board but I'll say it again. The terrorists are here, now. They are scouting locations and are going to strike within the next 5 to 10 years and it will be bigger than 9/11.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by craig333 View Post
                              Thats no help. Tin Foil /sigh I thought everyone knew.

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                              Lol nice one. given what I've read in this thread, that might not be too bad an idea for some.

                              I think was the wrong war for the right reasons. Almost no one deserves what he got more than Saadam.

                              AND Iraq has had a postive impact in a couple of ways:

                              #1. The action persuaded Libya to give up the ghost in its WMD plans.

                              and

                              #2. Iraq (like Afghanistan in the past and Chechnya recently) now serves as a "Terrorist Sink" ie it attracts foreign jihadists to a conflict where we can direct our military's main strenght at them. Without iraq, those jihadists (middle eastern, European, and from everywhere else) would be spread all over the planet and we'd be chasing shadows with out military special forces and intelligence and law enforcement assets. With them in Iraq atleast our regular forces get a crack at them.


                              ALSO fighting a war over resoources (in this case oil) is not in and of itself a bad thing. EVERY WAR is fought over resources in some way or another, be it land, energy, money or the resource of power. One of our key interests in the pacific in WWII was oil resources and keeping the Japanese from getting them (whiuch led the japanese to realize how the U.S. was the only real threat to their plans for Hegemony, which led to Pearl Harbor, and the rest is history). What was bad was not coming out and telling the truth , which is: "we can;t let this SOB sit on all that oil and threaten his neighboors like Kuwait and Saudi who have even more oil, our way of life needs energy if we want to keep it and not end up using horse drawn buggys again, and we're going to secure that energy, period".

                              No, the Administration did the exact opposite of what you should do. they tried to "soft soap" the reasons behind the war and it comes out looking like a lie.

                              It was the wrong time for us to go to Iraq, and Saadam hadn't done wrong enough to give us the right pre-text. In going after iraq when we just really didn't need to, we squandered a big load of good will and moral superiority that we could have used against real threats like Iran and NK.

                              THAT is the thing that I am maddest at George Bush about regarding Iraq. IMO the single really good thing to come out of 9/11 is the fact that those attacks shocked us so badly that it got the liberal, unrealisitc peacenik, kumbyaa singing, tree hugging, pro-socialism, anti-capitalist, nutjubs to STFU for the 1st time in Decades. They knew they couldn't complain about our actions in Afghanistan and whatever else we did because the jihadists hit us 1st.

                              Iraq gave them a reason to un-shut up again (and divided our country in the process when it was united against the jihadists). I don't think I can ever forgive Bush for that.
                              Last edited by Black Caesar; 08-16-2007, 12:44 AM.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Black Caesar View Post
                                it got the liberal, unrealisitc peacenik, kumbyaa singing, tree hugging, pro-socialism, anti-capitalist, nutjubs to STFU
                                For about 12 minutes here. I remember on 9/12/01 some of these ultra-lib people were bitching about how striking back was only going to worsen the situation and we should just work on trying to find that, "common ground."
                                "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
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