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    I doubt this is a real concern; people are generally far too complacent to participate in such movements, now days. Gone are the days of the 60's and the manner the people untined in mass numbers, back then, under a common cause regardless whether we agree or disagree with their cause.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Christopherstjo View Post
      I doubt this is a real concern; people are generally far too complacent to participate in such movements, now days. Gone are the days of the 60's and the manner the people untined in mass numbers, back then, under a common cause regardless whether we agree or disagree with their cause.
      Not exactly true. In March 2003 when Canada was thinking of joining the US in invading Iraq to stop the production of the non existant weapons of mass destruction, we had a huge demonstration/march in downtown Montreal. (P.S. I support the individual brave military people, it is the pencil pushers I don't like.)
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      • #4
        Originally posted by HotelSecurity View Post
        Not exactly true. In March 2003 when Canada was thinking of joining the US in invading Iraq to stop the production of the non existant weapons of mass destruction, we had a huge demonstration/march in downtown Montreal. (P.S. I support the individual brave military people, it is the pencil pushers I don't like.)
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack


        Like these non-existent weapons of mass destruction? Just because we didn't find the weapons, doesn't mean they never existed. If I go toss my pistol into the river, you probably will never find it, its not proof that it never existed.
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        • #5
          They found a ton of Chemical Weapons containing Sarin Gas agents.

          Declassified US Document
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          • #6
            What they claimed to have found, and what they clearly didn't, is not the discussion, so lets not get out of hand, even though many of us believe the war was absolutely fraudulent.

            Anyways, I support the message of this General Strike, though I doubt it's going to occur to any large scale. I do agree that some change has to be made because of how shameful a world this has become, but I don't see any such change happening soon.

            Sure, there's the potential for a greater risk towards security officials, but I doubt it'd be particularly disasterous.

            EDIT: lol @ using FoxNews as a source.
            Last edited by Nauticus; 08-13-2007, 08:16 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by HotelSecurity View Post
              Not exactly true. In March 2003 when Canada was thinking of joining the US in invading Iraq to stop the production of the non existant weapons of mass destruction, we had a huge demonstration/march in downtown Montreal. (P.S. I support the individual brave military people, it is the pencil pushers I don't like.)
              No way can you compare what existed in the 60's to what exists today in terms of public protests and the manner the people united under a common cause back then, regardless if we agree with their cause or not. Crap, now days you are lucky just to get someone to send an e-mail to their congressman.
              Last edited by Christopherstjo; 08-13-2007, 10:18 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nauticus View Post
                What they claimed to have found, and what they clearly didn't, is not the discussion, so lets not get out of hand, even though many of us believe the war was absolutely fraudulent.

                Anyways, I support the message of this General Strike, though I doubt it's going to occur to any large scale. I do agree that some change has to be made because of how shameful a world this has become, but I don't see any such change happening soon.

                Sure, there's the potential for a greater risk towards security officials, but I doubt it'd be particularly disasterous.

                EDIT: lol @ using FoxNews as a source.

                Umm... lol @ using a government document as a source?
                "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                "The Curve" 1998

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BHR Lawson View Post
                  Umm... lol @ using a government document as a source?

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                  • #10
                    How easy it is to criticize when we're not sitting on the hot seat. May I remind us all that the War on Terror did not come with an instruction manual. This was new territory for any Western government and I doubt seriously that any President of any party would have done any better with it...or as well, in fact. Case in point: We are 6 years out from 9/11 with no new major attacks having been launched in our country. If you think that's merely accidental, you know nothing about these terrorists and you know nothing about the counterterrorism operations that have been run against them.

                    This, despite the fact that those who are charged with counterterrorism responsibilities find themselves contending not only with the constantly-changing environment of terrorism itself, but with a morass of constitutional, legal, diplomatic and jurisdictional constraints, to say nothing of pure political grandstanding and opposition, a hostile press, and saying less still about the disloyal actions of some in our intelligence agencies who, from a purely political agenda, have committed what I consider to be high treason in leaking details of our intelligence operations to the press.

                    Tell you what - let's hand off this mess to you, or to anyone you'd care to name, and let's see how much better it's handled. One thing I do know is that most of the peanut gallery don't know the first thing about terrorism, or about counterterrorism other than the crap that they read in the press. What they don't seem to realize is that we KNOW for a fact that when it comes to military and intelligence affairs, the press usually get it wrong. We have learned this lesson--always after the fact--time after time, but for some reason we still want to believe that the press has it right THIS time. Well, I'm sorry to disillusion you, but they don't.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
                      How easy it is to criticize when we're not sitting on the hot seat. May I remind us all that the War on Terror did not come with an instruction manual. This was new territory for any Western government and I doubt seriously that any President of any party would have done any better with it...or as well, in fact. Case in point: We are 6 years out from 9/11 with no new major attacks having been launched in our country. If you think that's merely accidental, you know nothing about these terrorists and you know nothing about the counterterrorism operations that have been run against them.

                      This, despite the fact that those who are charged with counterterrorism responsibilities find themselves contending not only with the constantly-changing environment of terrorism itself, but with a morass of constitutional, legal, diplomatic and jurisdictional constraints, to say nothing of pure political grandstanding and opposition, a hostile press, and saying less still about the disloyal actions of some in our intelligence agencies who, from a purely political agenda, have committed what I consider to be high treason in leaking details of our intelligence operations to the press.

                      Tell you what - let's hand off this mess to you, or to anyone you'd care to name, and let's see how much better it's handled. One thing I do know is that most of the peanut gallery don't know the first thing about terrorism, or about counterterrorism other than the crap that they read in the press. What they don't seem to realize is that we KNOW for a fact that when it comes to military and intelligence affairs, the press usually get it wrong. We have learned this lesson--always after the fact--time after time, but for some reason we still want to believe that the press has it right THIS time. Well, I'm sorry to disillusion you, but they don't.
                      Off topic or not.

                      RIGHT ON, ACTUAL FACTUAL! tHE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED IN THOUSANDS OF YEARS IS THE SIZE AND TYPE OF THE TOYS (weapons) AND LOCATION OF THE EVENT. We as humans go thru an event such as this every fifty years or so. Nothing has, nor, will change.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mh892 View Post
                        Off topic or not.

                        RIGHT ON, ACTUAL FACTUAL! tHE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED IN THOUSANDS OF YEARS IS THE SIZE AND TYPE OF THE TOYS (weapons) AND LOCATION OF THE EVENT. We as humans go thru an event such as this every fifty years or so. Nothing has, nor, will change.
                        I'm afraid that on this point I must disagree with you. There are many facets of the current situation, other than the "toys" or the "location", that are different from anything we've dealt with in the past.

                        I just completed a consulting assignment in which I was asked to analyze the new exploits being employed by Islamic extremists, and new organizational strategies they are using. Since the analysis is now obviously the property of the client who paid for it, I can't really be specific regarding these, except to say that there are a substantial number of differences other than their weaponry, or where they are operating.

                        Things do change.
                        "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

                        "I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous

                        "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

                        "History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron

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                        • #13
                          There are things other than the weapons & location that change, however the waring nature of man does not seem to change. most of us will fight for what we see as a just and rightous cause. The problem is we do not all see the same things as just and rightous.
                          "Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists. " Author Unknown

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Andy Taylor View Post
                            There are things other than the weapons & location that change, however the waring nature of man does not seem to change. most of us will fight for what we see as a just and rightous cause. The problem is we do not all see the same things as just and rightous.
                            I don't think we can trivialize this situation into a mere difference of opinion about what is just or righteous.
                            "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

                            "I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous

                            "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

                            "History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
                              How easy it is to criticize when we're not sitting on the hot seat. May I remind us all that the War on Terror did not come with an instruction manual. This was new territory for any Western government and I doubt seriously that any President of any party would have done any better with it...or as well, in fact. Case in point: We are 6 years out from 9/11 with no new major attacks having been launched in our country. If you think that's merely accidental, you know nothing about these terrorists and you know nothing about the counterterrorism operations that have been run against them.

                              This, despite the fact that those who are charged with counterterrorism responsibilities find themselves contending not only with the constantly-changing environment of terrorism itself, but with a morass of constitutional, legal, diplomatic and jurisdictional constraints, to say nothing of pure political grandstanding and opposition, a hostile press, and saying less still about the disloyal actions of some in our intelligence agencies who, from a purely political agenda, have committed what I consider to be high treason in leaking details of our intelligence operations to the press.

                              Tell you what - let's hand off this mess to you, or to anyone you'd care to name, and let's see how much better it's handled. One thing I do know is that most of the peanut gallery don't know the first thing about terrorism, or about counterterrorism other than the crap that they read in the press. What they don't seem to realize is that we KNOW for a fact that when it comes to military and intelligence affairs, the press usually get it wrong. We have learned this lesson--always after the fact--time after time, but for some reason we still want to believe that the press has it right THIS time. Well, I'm sorry to disillusion you, but they don't.
                              And what is the connection between Iraq & terrorism in North America?
                              I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                              Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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