thats y i also carry a baton and taser. id rather use the taser it has a higher rate of effectiveness.
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Originally posted by bigdogalso have you seen the pictures of subjectys sprayed with old school mace ? it causes chemical burns, blindness etcI believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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Originally posted by bigdogso then you know why its no longer used.
Any weapon is used with a degree of risk. Bottom line is if the suspect wasn?t acting an idiot, (s)he wouldn?t have been subject to any sort of force, including Mace, OC, TASER, baton, empty hand, firearm, etc.I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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Originally posted by bigdogalso have you seen the pictures of subjectys sprayed with old school mace ? it causes chemical burns, blindness etcthats y i also carry a baton and taser. id rather use the taser it has a higher rate of effectiveness.I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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Originally posted by TennsixFor the sake of conversation....Would you not carry a TASER due to its potential for causing cardiac dysfunction?Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)
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I would carry a taser before a baton. I have never seen a good taser shot fail. In some regards they have more stopping power than a gun. Because it is based on disfunctioning one's central nervous system, and is not pain compliance, it gives the operator the desired result, regardless of how hopped up on drugs the bad guy is... however, with a baton, you may strike your PCP induced suspect, 2...3... 14 times, only to have him take your baton and beat the hell out of you with it. (see cinncinatti, where the cops beat the hell out of a guy with PR-24s, and he kept fighting until he died. )
I am a Taser supporter 100%."Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
"The Curve" 1998
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Originally posted by Wackenhut LawsonI would carry a taser before a baton. I have never seen a good taser shot fail. In some regards they have more stopping power than a gun. Because it is based on disfunctioning one's central nervous system, and is not pain compliance, it gives the operator the desired result, regardless of how hopped up on drugs the bad guy is... however, with a baton, you may strike your PCP induced suspect, 2...3... 14 times, only to have him take your baton and beat the hell out of you with it. (see cinncinatti, where the cops beat the hell out of a guy with PR-24s, and he kept fighting until he died. )
I am a Taser supporter 100%.Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)
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Originally posted by Mr. SecurityI understand how you feel. However, I have seen a good taser shot fail. Granted, the baton will fail before the taser does. Nevertheless, I would rather see force used as follows: Verbal, physical, OC, baton, Taser, Lethal.I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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Originally posted by TennsixIdeally, you are correct. There are occasions when lesser levels of the force continuum are not adequate to subdue a situation and levels mayb be skipped. While we don?t want to utilize more force than necessary, we don?t want a level playing field either. We are not expected to meet the bad guy with equal force. The public is led to believe that a TASER is a replacement for deadly force; it isn?t. Conversely, if a suspect attacked me with a TASER I would consider using deadly force.
Of the very, very, few people who have resisted a taser, evidence shows that some resisted due to improper probe placement (loud arc), or bad batteries.
Not only are you protecting your own life against the attacker, but the lives of others down the road that you service or concealed carry weapon will be used to kill by your attacker.
I might play the K-Mart OC vs. Sabre Red game with some idiot. But with a Taser, I won't play anything. They will not make that first shot.Some Kind of Commando Leader
"Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law
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I am still not comfortable with the idea of carrying a taser. I have read about people who went into cardiac arrest after being tased. Sure, they were on cocaine, but so are many of the people I would be likely to use such a device on in the field. The company I work for currently prohibits electrical weapons devices as per its SOP."We appreciate all the hard work you've done, the dedicated hours you have worked, and the lives you have saved. However, since this is your third time being late to work, we are terminating your employment here."
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Originally posted by 1stWatchI am still not comfortable with the idea of carrying a taser. I have read about people who went into cardiac arrest after being tased. Sure, they were on cocaine, but so are many of the people I would be likely to use such a device on in the field. The company I work for currently prohibits electrical weapons devices as per its SOP.
But honestly, you hear about how many Taser Deaths a Year? 1... 2... maybe 5 at most. Out of the thousands of Taser Deployments... And on those deaths, I cant recall one where the officer has been convicted of unnecessary force."Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
"The Curve" 1998
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