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  • Bern Wheaton
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    These are all real, this city building was old didn't have doors to the offices, there where two hall ways so the building look like a c each hall had a light switch to control the lights in that section so after you did your walk thru you turn off the lights. Sense your desk is in the middle of the hall you can see both doors,but also when the meeting starts you are the only one controlling the people and they stand around your desk so it really turns into crowd control or your dealing with a certain group of people so you loose all control of your doors to both Hall ways.

    Myself when I do any walk thru I do carry a flash light and I do not turn on lights when I walk the floors.

    The two men in question where discussing business, when the guard enter the room he informed them this office was off limits and they had to move back to the main hall with the rest, the first guy had no problem with it the ND got up set ,because no one ever told him what to do.

    And informed the guard to go and they be there in awhile, the guard inform them no you will leave now and ill escort you down the hall.

    The man got meaner and there was no way the security officer in question was going to run all the way down the hall to grab the phone to call a dispatcher to get a police officer down there.

    True he could of used the ones in the office where he was,but the guy was now pass arms length in the guards face.

    The facts are there and this happen a very long time ago so, I am interested how one would do it different.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    I remembered, luckily, something one of our Air Police instructors told us at Lackland when someone tells you he can whip your butt. "Hell my wife does that regularly and she is only five foot two." I said this when encountered by five young men attempting to take a hardware store door off its hinges. The leader had not expected that rejoin, broke out in a wide grin and responded with a classic, "You a cool MF." They all left the alley. What he and his friends did not see was my Model J held behind my right leg. That young man and his friends became my (our) greatest informants.
    It could have turned out much differently I know but luckily it didn't.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • Mall Director
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    Lmao..

    Off topic.. But, FM Global? LOL! Wow.. Small world! I have issues all the time with their Fire Panels! LOL! And the tech's are really annoying!

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  • Chucky
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    Just a question are these scenarios hypothetical or actual cases? Cause if they are actual then I would have approached it differently. First in my lifetime and being in charge of keeping a large Tech school abreast of all and new life safety requirements have never seen anything that has central lighting for any satellite rooms in one area. Although at FM Global the rooms that were dozens of cubicles did have one switch that covered the central area but the actual offices against the walls had locks and their own lighting controls. Secondly why was that entrance way not locked to keep folks out? Most Sos well know how heavy that ring of keys can get after a while. So many questions so little time. Of course if it is hypothetical then Il est ce qui est il. (It is what it is)

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  • Bern Wheaton
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    It was a city building and not much in any way of post orders,just walk floors and make sure no one was in any of the offices. and if they are to escort them out. For a radio ,there was none and just the phone back where his desk was. The same place the meeting was.

    The lights switch controlled all lights and was way back down the hall way so that was out of the question at the time.

    But only thing he did was was inform the guy if he was going to get hit to make sure the dude didn't miss ,because if he did he be knocking at this guys door!
    The guard found out later that this dude he kick out of his building could of paid a guy to hit him A paid hit, and certain city officials would look the other way.

    But he is still alive and kicking ,so the bad guy I figured didn't want to waste money on a $6.00 guard
    Last edited by Bern Wheaton; 07-29-2007, 06:29 AM. Reason: change info

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  • Maelstrom
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
    Actually, he would simply roundhouse kick the entire city to rubble for daring to house someone who opposes his will.
    Originally posted by BHR Lawson
    Tell him that his mom already hits on you all the time.
    You guys are hilarious!

    I wonder what Jack Bauer would've done?

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  • Lawson
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    Tell him that his mom already hits on you all the time.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Actually, he would simply roundhouse kick the entire city to rubble for daring to house someone who opposes his will.

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  • Mall Director
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    Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
    I would tell the guy to stop watching so much Soprano's and get out of there before he got arrested.
    Simple, sweet and to the point!

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  • CorpSec
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    I would tell the guy to stop watching so much Soprano's and get out of there before he got arrested.

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  • Mall Director
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    Again, just me..

    Yes, if on an O+R site only, do as such, but since you have informed the male of the violation, then depart yourself, contact the authorities, and have him charged for trespassing and harrasment (if state law applies).

    In my current position and assignment, I would radio a 10-33 (immediate assistance) to my 20, then advise the male subject one final time to leave or he would be arrested for trespassing. If he fails to follow the direction, the next one is to go ahead and turn around, place his hands atop his head and interlock his fingers, he is now being placed under arrest for criminal trespassing. Thus using defensive protocol, and assertain an arrest. By the time he gets violent, my backup should be arriving. In some cases where it is very appearant that my training and tools will not provide immediate safe and secure results, awaiting backup then conducting arrest.

    1) The male is in a location not open to public entry or unauthroized use or presence.

    2) Advising the subject of his violation and allowing him/her to correct it.
    3) If advisement fails, advise a final warning with the stated consequences of his/her actions in failing to comply,

    4) Which are grounds in most states that it is a criminal offense to fail to follow the advisement of responsible party of the property to depart.

    Some may say that my response would be a little too "coppish" or "gun-ho", but the point to my action is not one of whose is top dog, or acting in any manner of such. An illegal action has taken place, and any person who would threaten a security person in doing their job, does not need to be on the premisis. Security are there for everyones safety, and by initiating the arrest yourself, may sometimes provide results that will indicate to others that by not following the safe directives of the "sole proprieter", will result in unpleasant or undesired consequences. This has a ripple effect for some time after, and people are less likely to act in such a manner at a later time.

    My $.02 worth!

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  • Maelstrom
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    I'm with the above suggestions (made by N.A. Corbier)... if you're detail is O&R then that's what you do, otherwise backup, bluff (ie. CCTV) & supervisor informed

    After all we're not Chuck Noris, who BTW would simply tear out the thugs' throat and present it to him as he gurgled slowly to death
    Last edited by Maelstrom; 07-29-2007, 12:17 AM.

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  • Chucky
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    I'm sort of on the thinking first he should have hit the light switch usually on the left as you enter a room. Then informed the dastardly doers that they were not allowed in this area as it is off limits to ALL and that I will be most appreciative if they would take their meeting to another area. And oh yea fellows do you have any ID on you we have been having a lot of theft here lately and as a precaution I can tell the officers out in the hall that you guys are ok. Thank you and I will be locking this room as we all leave.

    As Nate said all that hit [email protected] should go right over your head. Real wise guys don't give warnings on their intentions. Especially to min wage security guards.
    My honest opinion of two guys alone in a dark room is that they are more than likely a couple of [Words Went Here. They were bad.] that just met on Craigs List. But that's just me being me.
    Last edited by N. A. Corbier; 07-29-2007, 12:14 AM. Reason: That is not a term we use here. ~ Mod.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    It really depends on what his post orders are.

    If his post orders are to observe and report, he asked nicely, so he should leave the area and report it - THE FIRST TIME, not asking again. They didn't comply with the request, so he should not become confrontational and should tell whoever is in charge. If the person in charge doesn't care, then its no longer his problem.

    Now, if his post orders are actually a little more towards protecting the facility, then he needs to excuse himself and call some backup. The "risk of a hit" is part of the job, honestly, when you start doing things that involve confrontation. So is the risk of being attacked, knifed, shot at, spit on, and a bunch of other things.

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  • Bern Wheaton
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    no problem, we all get that way shooting rubbber band at mh892

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