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  • N. A. Corbier
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    To demonstrate why its not a good idea:

    1. Wear your duty rig and uniform.
    2. Take your mag-lite or baton into your hand.
    3. Gently smack your flashlight or baton against your handcuffs.
    4. Get some Advil, you'll need it.

    The handcuffs are hard and rigid, they're metal. They're also pressing against your spine. If you fall, are pushed, or otherwise land on them, they can compress nerves in your lower spine, shatter bone, and generally make your day bad.

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  • SHART1971
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    Currently here is my setup. But I have question I have been wearing my handcuffs at 6:00. Why is that not good and wear should I put my handcuffs and pouch?

    1200 - Buckle
    0200- Key holder / With Keys
    0300- X26 Taser
    0330 - Keeper
    0400 - Baton
    0500 - Keeper
    0600 - Handcuffs
    0700 - Keeper
    0800 - Flashlight / With holder
    0830 - Keeper
    0900 - Radio
    1000 - Glove pouch

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  • CAPTAIN KOOLAID
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    duty belt

    my duty belt start with the belt
    Bianchi Model 7200 – Nylon Duty Belt
    Bianchi Model 7316 – AccuMold® Silent Key Holder
    on the key holder is my car key, house key, my lock box in my car, stream light CuffMate Cuff Mate Dual LED Hand Cuff Key,
    ResQme Seatbelt Cutter Life hammer Glass Breaker
    blackinton badge # a4684rs on a safariland oval badge holder
    Bianchi Model 6406 – Belt Keeper
    Uncle Mikes Pro-3 Cordura for Beretta 92f/s
    Beretta 92 f/s with a with 3 ported compensator, Houge Monogrips with a magazine of 15 plus 1 in the barrel
    Coleman folding knife
    Model 7313–AccuMold® Expandable Baton Holder with ASP Electroless Baton 16 inch
    Bianchi Model 7307 – AccuMold® OC/Mace® Spray Pouch with freeze plus p 4oz can
    Bianchi Model 7317 – AccuMold® Double Cuff Case with two pairs of S&W m 100 handcuffs
    Bianchi Model 6406 – Belt Keeper with hideaway handcuff key
    Bianchi Model 7328 – AccuMold® Flat Glove Pouch with 2 pairs of latex gloves
    Bianchi Model 7311 – AccuMold® Compact Light Pouch with STREAM LIGHT stringer XT
    Bianchi Model 7324S – AccuMold® Universal Radio Holder with Swivel with motorola sp 50+ UHF 10 channel 5 watt short antenna with boom mic
    Bianchi Model 6406 – Belt Keeper
    Bianchi Model 7320 – AccuMold® Triple Threat II Magazine Pouch size 2 with 2 20 round magazines that makes 56 rounds on my duty belt
    the 56 rounds of ammo is Winchester Ranger 9mm 147gr SXT
    Attached Files

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  • WKSecurity
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    -Bianchi AccuMold Elite 7960 Basketweave Sam Brown style belt
    -Bianchi 20C basketweave double magazine pouch (with two 15 round mags)
    -Bianchi AccuMold Elite 7906 belt Keepers
    -Crappy key holder
    -Motorola Radius P1225 radio with Motorola Mic.
    -Bianchi AccuMold Elite 7600 basketweave handcuff case(with Peerless model 801 hinged handcuffs)
    -Blackhawk Level 3 Serpa Auto Lock Duty Holster (with Glock G19 9mm)

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  • Minneapolis Security
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    Ok, I'll play too!

    Safariland Black basket weave duty belt, 2.25 inch.
    http://www.safariland.com/images/catalog/87_l.jpg


    1:00 Peerless chain link cuffs in bikini case.
    http://www.peerless.net/product_deta...?product_id=20


    Then a 1” keeper.

    Then a Glock 23.
    http://www.glock.com/english/glock23.htm



    in a level 3 retention holster
    http://www.safariland.com/products.asp?id=14

    Then a 1” keeper behind holster.

    Asp 26” baton at 4:00, nothing behind my back except a keeper.
    http://www.asp-net.com/batons.html


    At 8:00 is a Streamlight Stinger HP http://www.ombexpress.com/images/400400/FL075.jpg

    At 8:30 is a can of pepper spray in the MK-4 size. http://www.streichers.com/ViewImage....ge=dt-mk.2.gif

    9:00 is my radio.

    9:45ish is a pair of Peerless hinged cuffs.
    http://www.peerless.net/product_deta...?product_id=10

    10:30 is a double magazine holder, horizontally attached.
    http://www.safariland.com/images/catalog/77_l.jpg

    That’s about it. Back-up .380 hidden somewhere.

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  • Maelstrom
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    Did I read correctly? 3 pairs of handcuffs & a window punch?

    Better too much than not enough eh?

    BTW those automatic centre punches are cool

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  • jsagestockwell
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    I am a Security Officer for a large hospital in Mid Michigan with a nice variety of "Clients" hence the selection I carry.

    Starting at Noon I carry

    Double latex glove pouch
    Belt Keeper
    Cell Phone Case
    MK4 Pepper - Fox labs 2 percent 5.3 Million SHU Stream
    ASP 26 inch expandable baton in side break scabbard (Superglued as to not rotate)
    Hospital Key Ring
    Belt Keeper
    LED flashlight
    Smith & Wesson Rescue knife with window punch
    Smith & Wesson Handcuffs in case
    Double latex glove pouch (Yes I carry 4 pairs of gloves)
    Belt Keeper
    Smith & Wesson Model 1 Handcuffs in case (For larger & Smaller subjects)
    Key clip for personal office keys & Vehicle keys (we have 4 Trail Blazers)
    Radio & Holster (Motorola HT 1250 LS with Trunking)
    Belt Keeper
    Smith & Wesson Handcuffs in fast draw bikini style case.
    Buckle at front

    Yes it seems a bit excessive & believe me at the end of my shift I am THRILLED to shed this, but there are times that I have needed it all.

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  • Minneapolis Security
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    Originally posted by ValleyOne View Post
    I know I've been kinda distant, ok I've been away for a while, but just how 'rough' does it get that you need approx. 76 rounds for? (4 mags, 1 in the gun + 1 in the pipe @ 15 per mag)

    Just seems odd that's all...
    It may be only once in a lifetime that you would need 76 rounds, but you only get one lifetime. So if you are working in a known hell hole, why not be ready for it?

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  • Maelstrom
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    Pity the other Officers & hospital staff had to get hurt so as the Officer learnt a valuable lesson... take heed of friendly advice

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  • K-9 Aussie
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    Originally posted by Maelstrom View Post
    LMAO... don't they cuff them whilst you're cuffs are still on?


    No they don't unfortunately

    Nearly one year ago now I had a guy that was seriously off his head on ICE. After what seemed like an eternity struggling with the offender I managed to handcuff him (he walked into the local pub and for no reason what so ever KO'd the best patron of the pub.)

    When the Police turned up They asked me to remove my handcuffs so they could put him in the back of the caged truck to transport him to the local Police Station. I begged and pleaded with them to cuff him with their cuffs first, and that he was off his brain on ICE. All The Police Officer told me was "It's ok mate, where the Police we know what we're doing and don't need security officers telling us how to do our job".

    Sure enough several hours later I receive a phone call from the duty officer asking me did I advise the Police to apply their handcuffs to the offender.

    What had happened was they didn't bother to re-handcuff him as he then arked up over having handcuffs back on. When they got him back to the Police Station he played up somehting shocking. He KO'd 3 Police Officers, then faked a heart attack and then once at the hospital KO'd 5 nurses, 2 of them are still off on workers compensation.

    A few weeks later I caught up with the same Police Officer that refused to listen to me. Well wasn't he a changed guy. He couldn't apologise enough to me for not listening to what I said to him. We've actually become good friends and now if I cuff someone and the Police turn up, they never argue if I say they need to re-handcuff the offender with theirs tho, they just go straight on!

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Not everyone's smart enough to leave the cuffs on while exchanging cuffs. Personally, give me yours, or return mine. Don't take cuffs off someone I put them on.

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  • Maelstrom
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    Originally posted by K-9 Aussie View Post
    Honestly it needs to be like a majority of the USA, that being the offender can be handcuffed for their own safety, where it's necessary to detain them til Police arrive and also whenever an arrest has been made.
    Agreed!

    Hey while we're at it lets refine the Criminal Justice System a tad more... for example Mr. Burglar slips over while breaking into your property, cuts himself & breaks his leg (bit of a clutz), under public liability he can currently sue for damages

    I'm of the opinion that if injured whilst in the commission of a crime (and found guilty), the offender forfeits the right to litigation as they willing chose to put themselves in that situation


    Originally posted by Bern Wheaton
    What was funny about the whole thing is the police officer unhand cuff him .So he could put his own on and the guy ran off. After a hour chase we all caught him a block away.
    LMAO... don't they cuff them whilst you're cuffs are still on?

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  • tattedupboy
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    I suppose you're right about there being a line between being prepared and being a Super Ninja, but think about this. Yes, you're indeed correct about the need to practice shooting at the range, but the fact of the matter is that no amount of range practice can ever duplicate a real life scenario, which, unlike the range, has the added element of stress, which can wreak serious havoc on even the best marksman's accuracy. Therefore, no matter what you say about how many rounds are "needed", (and indeed, it is highly unlikely that anyone will ever "need" 76 rounds all at once), I'm going to give myself every advantage possible, because when it is all said and done, my life is worth 76 rounds to me.


    Originally posted by ValleyOne View Post
    The point is that there is a line between 'being prepared' and being a Super Ninja. Does one really need that much ammo? Rememer I was inquiring about carrying 76 rnds.

    If you work 50+ miles out in BFE, yeah perhaps. Because it's obvious your going to be on your own for a V E R Y long time till a Deputy or Trooper show up. But, being in or near practically any sized community? No. I am pretty sure that regardless of the agency if any cop hears of an active shooter situation involving a s/o vs. bad guy(s), they will be on scene in record time.

    Besides, I don't think you'll ever need that 11th round, or even the 76th, if you get out and go to the range and practice often.

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  • Qarlo X64
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    At the mall I worked at the duty belt consisted of...

    (1) Key guard
    (1) Motorolla Radio
    (1) Pair of Handcuffs
    (1) Asp Holder w. "The Pipe" Scan Wand [no Batons allowed there]
    (1) Pair of latex gloves in special carrier

    when working "Commissioned" posts [and more to the point Government Housing Complexes]

    (1) Key guard
    (1) Motorolla Radio
    (1) Pair of Handcuffs
    (1) Pair of latex gloves in carrier
    (1) PR-24 FX baton in PR-24 swivel holder
    (1) USGI .45ACP pistol w. 8 round magazine + 1,
    cocked & locked in LV III retention holster (Safariland)
    (3) spare 8-round magazines in double pouch + single pouch.

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  • ValleyOne
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    Originally posted by tattedupboy View Post
    It's always better to have more rounds than you need than to need more than you have. What if you carried only one gun with a 10 round mag and you need that 11th shot? I always say the more, the better.
    The point is that there is a line between 'being prepared' and being a Super Ninja. Does one really need that much ammo? Rememer I was inquiring about carrying 76 rnds.

    If you work 50+ miles out in BFE, yeah perhaps. Because it's obvious your going to be on your own for a V E R Y long time till a Deputy or Trooper show up. But, being in or near practically any sized community? No. I am pretty sure that regardless of the agency if any cop hears of an active shooter situation involving a s/o vs. bad guy(s), they will be on scene in record time.

    Besides, I don't think you'll ever need that 11th round, or even the 76th, if you get out and go to the range and practice often.

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