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    There was a guy dealing in the carpark at work in full view of all the customers (mall security) so I called the cops, because I was only just starting out I didnt know to ask the police not to broadcast it and they did. The bloke got a phone call and took off before the cops arrived. Apparently the girlfriend was listening to a scanner and rang him to tell him to get home because I had called the cops.Being a small town these people know where I live and have been giving us a pretty hard time. As far as I can see they are trying to get me to retaliate against them, which to date I have controlled myself and my hubby even though I found my beloved dog cut in half out the front of their house At the moment the police are trying to charge him with breach of AVO (apprehended violence order) negligent driving (drove onto the wrong side of the rd at me) intimidation ect.I have been to court 4 times already this year about this and have to go again next month. Has anyone else experienced this kind of situation or does anyone have any advice on how to deal with this situation??

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    Never had it happen, but it appears you are taking all the precautions you can as far as the court side of things.
    Next question. Do you carry a gun? I don't know whether or not you work armed but a CCW off duty sounds like something that would be a good idea, if legal in your local. Pepper spray as well. If you ever need to use these items all the courtroom stuff will be a record of you trying other means and aid in a self defense case.
    Info for your state CCW can be found here www.packing.org
    "Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists. " Author Unknown

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    • #3
      Sorry, just noticed in another thread you are in NSW. CCW is not likely an option.
      "Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists. " Author Unknown

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      • #4
        I dont actually have a gun licence yet and pepper spray is illigal in Australia unless you are a police officer. What really annoys me is they are having a go at my husband while Im at work to get to me and my hubby has our daughter while Im at work so he cant do anything other than keep her safe. They are also getting charged for telling the police false info, the bloke got his girlfriend to put in an harassement complaint against me without telling the police that I have the avo on her partner, I had to speak with an inspector(pretty high up) because the cop that was handling the case didnt check it out and then the charges she was trying to get me on were dropped.

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        • #5
          I have never dealt with a situation remotely resembling this. I work in a large city in a county that is different then where I reside for reason just like this. Good luck!

          Be safe,

          Hank
          " We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle, our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on one hand and of overwhelming force on the other" - General George C. Marshall

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          • #6
            I'm not saying it's a option for you but if someone killed one of my pets in a pattern of harrasment against me I'd take it as a deadly threat and strike back. I'm thinking the use of about 5 gallons of gas and a couple of matches. Seriously. The coroner would be comparing dental records. People like that will not stop until you are gone. You either deal with them or move.
            Hospital Security Officer

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            • #7
              I'm really sorry about your dog OZ that is truly cruel, sick, and demented. I cant help but agree with EMTGuard's stand point. It is hard to restrain yourself in these situation, I see the dog ass a very personal threat and you need to take action. If your legal system is similar to ours (Canadian, based on British common law) I would think your situation would warrant a restraining order/Peace bond, where if they are with in so many Meters of you, call you, or any other contact with you and/or those named on the order, Off to the joint they go...

              You and your hubby be safe ok OZ.

              Cheers
              I'm the guy you don't want to be around when your doing something wrong, but you can't wait for me to get there when your down, to fix you up...

              If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.

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              • #8
                Lots of times I don't agree with my friends south of the boarder & there gun laws but I being Canadian & having similar laws as you feel for you.

                I have been in this business since about 1974 & fortunately have never been in a situation like yours. Hotel Security usually deals with people from out of town, they usually don't come back.

                I remember a funny situation many years ago. I physically had to break up a fight in the bar one night & had one of the guys arrested. A month or 2 later there was a bus strike in the city. I stppped & picked up a hichicker (sp?) He got into my car. We both looked at each other & immediately recongized each other. He needed the lift. All went well!
                I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                • #9
                  Face to face these people take off running, I have footage of him standing at the drivers side of his car and he is coming over the top pointing at me and threatening to run my daughter over, as soon as I take a step forward he jumps in his car and takes off. The girlfriend has come to my house and had a go at my husband when she knows Im at work.Even a police officer said I should have handled it myself when they killed the dog.Even though the bloke is looking at 18 months jail they are still doing stuff.

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                  • #10
                    I´ve never had to deal with a similar situation, but I´ve got a few ideas I hope they´re useful:

                    -Record carefully in a notebook every incident with these people: when did it happen, where, all people involved, plate and model of the scumbag´s car, damages caused if there´s any (specially important to keep the invoices for their reparations). This info will be essential for your insurance company, the cops and the court.

                    -If you get along and trust your neighbors, let them know about this problem, and give them a description of these two scumbags and a description of their car, so they can alert the police as soon as they see them around your house.

                    -Keep handy some improvised weapons in your home; a steel pipe, chain, cane...you get the idea. Something that isn´t "officially" a weapon but can be used effectively as one. a couple of rocks that fit your pocket can be very useful, too. If you have to use them, just be careful not to hit in the head unless there´s no choice or there´s enough danger for your life to justify yourself in a court (attacker is armed and/or there are many of them).

                    -Get another dog, but not a cute puppy, but a grown-up rottweiler, doberman or any other type of agressive dog. Your local shelter will be happy to provide one for free, and you´ll probably save the poor dog from being sacrificed, since adult dogs are not in a high demand. Don´t let him out with no supervision. If those two come back, you let him out. He´ll deal with them his own way, and you can always say you weren´t able to stop him.

                    -Take a look at your local gun laws. You´ll probably find it´s not that hard to get a hunting or a sports license that allows you to get a gun. However, if you get it keep in mind that you have to be in a REALLY bad situation to use it and justify it in a court.

                    -Ask people that you trust if they know a good lawyer. Take any legal action you can against these people and don´t hesitate to lie in court or use false witnesses. Plan carefully these actions, though, but don´t feel any remorse. The legal sistem of western, "democratic" countries is biased to protect criminal drug addicts, illegal aliens and other "victims of society" the politically correct, liberal crowd is very fond of.

                    -Put bars on windows, a good steel reinforced door and frame, and a "no trespassing" sign on your yard. There are also good and not overly expensive CCTV systems. A hidden camera recording everything that happens in your yard might get you some good evidence for the court.

                    I wish you get rid of this problem very soon, and those two bastards get a proper punishment. Good luck.
                    Last edited by Miguel; 07-14-2007, 10:49 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Nah the thing is she cant live in fear of those guys.THe dog is a good idea tho.The thig I would do is to deal with them using the law.Or use their own medecine.

                      I start to work as a correctional officer monday.An intimidation will surely happen but eh You need to deal with this.
                      Ain't war hell?

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for your advice
                        I have actually been writting everything down from the very begining.when I went to the police station to do a statement to up my avo, the cop said for me to let them know what had been going on and I had 8 pages of times and dates with everything that had been going on, I even wrote down the officers names that attended. The cop checked my dates and times and came up with several files for me, eg maiden name, married name, name spelt wrong and where some officers were too lazy to search for my file and started a new one. Anyway this cop looked at all the info and said sorry we wont be doing the avo thing anymore we will be pressing charges against him. If I didnt write everything down nothing would be getting done about it. I mainly wrote stuff down incase anything bad happens. We have boxer dogs, the male would lick you to death, the female that was killed wasnt very friendly but apparently they got the pup and mum got into the car, the mum had only just been desexed and it was 42 c (boxers get knocked around in the heat). It does make it very hard to do my uni assignments (joining the police force) when I have these idiots doing this crap.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ozsecuritychic View Post
                          There was a guy dealing in the carpark at work in full view of all the customers (mall security) so I called the cops, because I was only just starting out I didnt know to ask the police not to broadcast it and they did. The bloke got a phone call and took off before the cops arrived. Apparently the girlfriend was listening to a scanner and rang him to tell him to get home because I had called the cops.Being a small town these people know where I live and have been giving us a pretty hard time. As far as I can see they are trying to get me to retaliate against them, which to date I have controlled myself and my hubby even though I found my beloved dog cut in half out the front of their house At the moment the police are trying to charge him with breach of AVO (apprehended violence order) negligent driving (drove onto the wrong side of the rd at me) intimidation ect.I have been to court 4 times already this year about this and have to go again next month. Has anyone else experienced this kind of situation or does anyone have any advice on how to deal with this situation??


                          That is absolutely appauling! If I ever found my dog like that self control would go straight out the window! Which part of NSW are you in if you don't mind me asking? In all honestly you've done an excellent job showing self restraint!

                          I have had a similar situation previously, however I spoke to a friend in the media and when it hit the local TV and newspaper the guy pulled his head in quick smart and was the wife of a big hairy biker for 2yrs in prison
                          A well trained dog is worth 10 men!

                          I can recall my dog, but I can never recall a fired bullet!

                          Would you prefer me to use the dog, the Glock, the baton or the O.C. spray? It's your health insurance so you decide. Alternatively there is always the handcuffs, followed by the Police with the court house preceeding rapidly after. Now which service would you like me to utilise

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                          • #14
                            Hope this has finally ended for you

                            Being in security is not always good - but when you have to deal with scum out of hours, it becomes a nightmare. I have been threatened, stalked and harassed before after an arrest or termination of an employee outside of work which I understand is part of the job but when it becomes physical (thankfully avoided with some verbal judo) then you have a whole new issue.

                            1 of my former crew went through 6 months of hell in January after arresting street scum and his son. He was stalked, harassed, threatened, had his house and car vandalised and that of a visitor to his house. After his wife was threatened and the police issued and AVO he contacted me for advise. We had security lights placed at the front of his house and found out where this street scum lived (welfare free housing). It only took another few weeks before the whole family was arrested and went back to jail but these people cannot be reasoned with. Attending court over a few matters I tend to see some old faces in the crowd from previous arrests, here to support family or de-facto relationships in court.
                            "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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                            • #15
                              Oh just to answer some questions about our Aussie Laws:

                              1. OC is illegal to own and use here apart from police

                              2. Firearm ownership is harder than a Chinese Crossword

                              3. CCW is like playing pick up sticks with your backside - damn near impossible

                              4. Trespass notices require 3 warnings and then you can caution of an arrest

                              5. Animal cruelty is something that receives little publicity and prosecution

                              6. The law protects scum due to "hardships / culture" so what about the victims ?

                              AVO's can be handed out by the bucket load (Aussies go into any regional local court and go through 70 of them when most are living back with their partners or having more kids) and sometimes the Police jump the gun when it comes to kids and parents ......... but the laws can allow them to do that.
                              "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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