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  • #31
    Originally posted by ForceProtectionOfficer
    You said you are in a LE uniform but your profile says you are a security officer. Security is NOT Law Enforcement. Am i missing something here?
    Currently I am a security officer but I was LE as I did Prisoner Transport.
    Todd

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    • #32
      Here in Maryland security uniforms are not regulated. Montgomery County Police wear pink-tan pants, silver-tan shirts, where the sheriffs wear brown pants..pink-tan shirts....a security company I use to work for purchased a police departments old uniforms (as they switched to a new uniform), which was pink-tan pants (like the county police) and brown shirts. I, on a daily basis was taken for a county police officer, funny part is I, wasnt even armed. Before the change to this uniform the company uniform was identical to state police.
      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
        Unfortunately, many people do believe that he is a sworn law enforcement officer. And by "many people," I mean law enforcement officers and websites. Its even worse when the contract guards are called "police officers," such as on the Marshall Islands.

        I've met a few DOD Gate Guards. They fully believe they are federal law enforcement officers. What they fail to realize is, off that base, they become a civilian. Just like a VA Police Officer used to be. Of course, for the longest while, the VA Police were security guards.
        DOD have Gate Guards and Police. DOD guards will have GUARD on thier patches, DOD Police ARE federal law enforcement officers. IF they have police arrest powers then chances they ARE police.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by ForceProtectionOfficer
          Was he wearing a white shirt? Sounds like someone from Akal Security? I know they are contracted by the Federal Protective Service Police to guard the federal building at Fort Snelling. The only uniformed Federal Law Enforcement around the twin cities are: Federal Protective Service Police,Veterans Affair Police, Federal Reserve Police, Department of Defense Police, and U.S Customs. If he's a federal agent/officer then he should have no problem showing his federal credential. Also Federal Law Enforcement does not have state peace officer license. Federal Officers have nation wide jurisdiction so state license is useless.
          Yes, it was AKAL. I had never actually heard of them prior to this incident. The last I knew, GSSC had the government contract. A buddy of mine used to work that contract before he joined New Orleans PD. I do know that federal officers don't need state licencing, but we asked him anyway just to see what he would say, he was already saying he was a federal agent when we knew full well he was just a private contract S/O, and he did say he was licenced by the state. Just a side question, you mentioned Spartan Protection. Are they still in business? And wearing green?
          Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by sgtnewby
            Yes, it was AKAL. I had never actually heard of them prior to this incident. The last I knew, GSSC had the government contract. A buddy of mine used to work that contract before he joined New Orleans PD. I do know that federal officers don't need state licencing, but we asked him anyway just to see what he would say, he was already saying he was a federal agent when we knew full well he was just a private contract S/O, and he did say he was licenced by the state. Just a side question, you mentioned Spartan Protection. Are they still in business? And wearing green?
            GSSC lost the bid on the contract with FPS and the federal court house downtown. I'm guessing the wannabe federal agent came from the federal court house. If i were you, i would call his supervisor and notify them. He just committed a felony. Yes Spartan Protection is still in business. Their uniform consist of a dark green shirt and black pants. I was talking to one of them couple months ago. I heard the owner is a crook, he'll rip you off any chance he gets. There was also an incident where one of the AKAL security officer was pulled over by a MN State Trooper. The security officer told the trooper that he was a FPS police officer and produced a HID badge (the kind where u need to get inside a building). Well on the back it has the phone # to the federal building. The trooper called to verify and found out he was a contracted security guard. He was fired. He got a speeding ticket and was also charged with impersonating a federal officer.
            Last edited by ForceProtectionOfficer; 03-21-2007, 03:04 PM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ForceProtectionOfficer
              GSSC lost the bid on the contract with FPS and the federal court house downtown. I'm guessing the wannabe federal agent came from the federal court house. If i was you, i would call his supervisor and notify them. He just committed a felony. Yes Spartan Protection is still in business. Their uniform consist of a dark green shirt and black pants. I was talking to one of them couple months ago. I heard the owner is a crook, he'll rip you off any chance he gets. There was also an incident where one of the AKAL security officer was pulled over by a MN State Trooper. The security officer told the trooper that he was a FPS police officer and produced a HID badge (the kind where u need to get inside a building). Well on the back it has the phone # to the federal building. The trooper called to verify and found out he was a contracted security guard. He was fired. He got a speeding ticket and was also charged with impersonating a federal officer.

              OMG! Don't they have to take psych evals? I wonder if it was the same guy... Our incident was about 1 to 2 years ago.
              Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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              • #37
                Hey ForceProtection, check this out...

                Ya know, this morning after I left work I stopped at Bobby & Steve's on Washington (you Minnesotan's know what I'm talking about) and there was an armored car company servicing the ATM. There was also about 5 MPD cops in there. This armored car company wears light blue shirts and navy blue pants! I'll say it again, how do they get away with this?
                Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by sgtnewby
                  Ya know, this morning after I left work I stopped at Bobby & Steve's on Washington (you Minnesotan's know what I'm talking about) and there was an armored car company servicing the ATM. There was also about 5 MPD cops in there. This armored car company wears light blue shirts and navy blue pants! I'll say it again, how do they get away with this?
                  Most police officers in Florida had no clue about the laws relating to security. They just assumed any person in a security guard uniform could carry a gun. With such strange (to me) DPS regulations as what uniform color you can wear... Are the police even aware?
                  Some Kind of Commando Leader

                  "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by sgtnewby
                    Ya know, this morning after I left work I stopped at Bobby & Steve's on Washington (you Minnesotan's know what I'm talking about) and there was an armored car company servicing the ATM. There was also about 5 MPD cops in there. This armored car company wears light blue shirts and navy blue pants! I'll say it again, how do they get away with this?
                    Light blue shirts with navy pants.....must be AT System. Armored truck is white and black right? I used to work for Dunbar Armored and they were next door to us. Also when i was working for Wolf Protective Agency, Bobby and Steve was one of my patrol stop. But it was a 4 hours long stop from midnight til 4. Most nights we had 5 officers to protect that place. That was one of the worst place ever! One night, there was almost a shooting. I wasn't there that night, but read the report and talked to the officers involved. While approaching a vehicle one of the wolf officer saw the driver holding a gun on his lap. When the driver saw the officer, he raised the gun towards him. The officer then grabbed the gun and pushed away at the same time drawing his own gun and pointed it at the driver's head. The driver then sped off dropping his gun (the driver) out the window. The officer was dragged for a while and was released when the vehicle hit a boulder on the sidewalk. MPD happen to saw the incident and gave chase. The driver then drove his vehicle onto 35W going south bound. The chase then ended up on lake street where it was called off due to the driver is driving recklessly. The driver's gun was recovered and handed to MPD. The driver was arrested 2 days later during a SWAT raid at his house. I'm so glad i don't work there anymore. Last year there were 2 shootings there. One of them happened while wolf officers were there. I don't know what became of it. They used to contract Minneapolis Police to protect the place but that was getting too expensive so they contracted private security. That place was horrible. Too many "ganstas" with guns. Most of them weren't afraid of law enforcement and security, they'll shoot anybody.
                    Last edited by ForceProtectionOfficer; 03-21-2007, 03:07 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by tlangsr
                      In California the only way to where a uniform that resembles a Peace officers uniform is if we get permission from the head of that agency(i.e. Chief or Sheriff)
                      We only where Gray, white, or baby blue, with black or navy blue trousers. Unless you are a cpo or bpo with wackenhut.

                      I beg to differ..... According to the BSIS and California state law, The only uniform regulated is the uniform of the California Highway Patrol. No other Law Enforcement Agency let alone security company is allowed to have it. BSIS only regulates the badge and patch designs when applying for a PPO(They cannot say POLICE/SHERIFF on it).

                      I believe that Wackenhut is in violation of the law....

                      California Vehicle Code section : 2261.

                      A uniform substantially similar to the official uniform of
                      members of the California Highway Patrol shall not be worn by any
                      other law enforcement officer or by any other person except duly
                      appointed members of the California Highway Patrol and persons
                      authorized by the commissioner to wear such uniform in connection
                      with a program of entertainment. A uniform shall be deemed
                      substantially similar to the uniform of the California Highway Patrol
                      if it so resembles such official uniform as to cause an ordinary
                      reasonable person to believe that the person wearing the uniform is a
                      member of the California Highway Patrol.


                      Now, if the local police chief or county sheriff of your area are restricting the type of uniform you are allowed to wear, that is different. As far as the state goes,so long as it does not look like a chippie, your'e good to go.
                      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke.

                      Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?

                      www.patrol4u.com


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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by gonzo1510
                        I beg to differ..... According to the BSIS and California state law, The only uniform regulated is the uniform of the California Highway Patrol. No other Law Enforcement Agency let alone security company is allowed to have it. BSIS only regulates the badge and patch designs when applying for a PPO(They cannot say POLICE/SHERIFF on it).

                        I believe that Wackenhut is in violation of the law....

                        California Vehicle Code section : 2261.

                        A uniform substantially similar to the official uniform of
                        members of the California Highway Patrol shall not be worn by any
                        other law enforcement officer or by any other person except duly
                        appointed members of the California Highway Patrol and persons
                        authorized by the commissioner to wear such uniform in connection
                        with a program of entertainment. A uniform shall be deemed
                        substantially similar to the uniform of the California Highway Patrol
                        if it so resembles such official uniform as to cause an ordinary
                        reasonable person to believe that the person wearing the uniform is a
                        member of the California Highway Patrol.


                        Now, if the local police chief or county sheriff of your area are restricting the type of uniform you are allowed to wear, that is different. As far as the state goes,so long as it does not look like a chippie, your'e good to go.
                        I'm gonna have to check on that. Thank you.
                        Todd

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                        • #42
                          No Prob...
                          The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke.

                          Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?

                          www.patrol4u.com


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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by gonzo1510
                            I beg to differ..... According to the BSIS and California state law, The only uniform regulated is the uniform of the California Highway Patrol. No other Law Enforcement Agency let alone security company is allowed to have it. BSIS only regulates the badge and patch designs when applying for a PPO(They cannot say POLICE/SHERIFF on it).

                            I believe that Wackenhut is in violation of the law....

                            California Vehicle Code section : 2261.

                            A uniform substantially similar to the official uniform of
                            members of the California Highway Patrol shall not be worn by any
                            other law enforcement officer or by any other person except duly
                            appointed members of the California Highway Patrol and persons
                            authorized by the commissioner to wear such uniform in connection
                            with a program of entertainment. A uniform shall be deemed
                            substantially similar to the uniform of the California Highway Patrol
                            if it so resembles such official uniform as to cause an ordinary
                            reasonable person to believe that the person wearing the uniform is a
                            member of the California Highway Patrol.


                            Now, if the local police chief or county sheriff of your area are restricting the type of uniform you are allowed to wear, that is different. As far as the state goes,so long as it does not look like a chippie, your'e good to go.
                            I stand corrected, I got on the bsis web sit e and found nothing but this as far as regulating uniforms.

                            Business and Professions Code Section 7583.38
                            A city, county, or city and county may regulate the uniforms and insignias worn by uniformed employees of a private patrol operator and vehicles used by a private patrol operator to make the uniforms and vehicles clearly distinguishable from the uniforms worn by, and the vehicles used by, local regular law enforcement officers

                            Thank you sir
                            Todd

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                            • #44
                              Looks like I really do learn something new everyday... Thanks.
                              The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke.

                              Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?

                              www.patrol4u.com


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                              • #45
                                With the whole Wackenhut thing. They originally actually got in trouble by the CHP because of their uniforms. However they worked it out and because they now have added the purple stripe on their pants, they are no longer in violation of the code.
                                "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                                "The Curve" 1998

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