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  • #61
    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
    Minnesota Statute defines what a security guard is in Chapter 323, I believe, or whatever it is you call statutes or chapters. They exempt a few types of public police-hired security, but I don't think they exempt your type.

    You're either a licensed police officer in MN, or you're not.

    We're not police, but county security. I know the statute specifies the state capitol security, but I think we're the only county that has it's own security in MN anymore. Not sure though.
    Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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    • #62
      Here are some definitions from the statutes regulating guards in Minnesota. With Hennepin County Medical Center being a public, governmental entity, I don't know how the rules apply to their cars. When I worked for Sims (now Securitas) in the mid 90's their cars were white at the same time that most police cars were white. However, I doubt the public confused junky Ford Escorts and Chevy Cavaliers for police vehicles!

      PRIVATE DETECTIVES, PROTECTIVE AGENTS


      326.32 MS 1965 [Repealed, 1967 c 602 s 17]
      326.32 DEFINITIONS.
      Subdivision 1. Scope. As used in sections 326.32 to 326.339, the terms defined in this
      section have the meanings given them.
      Subd. 1a. Armed with a firearm. An individual is "armed with a firearm" if at any time
      in the performance of the individual's duties the individual wears, carries, possesses, or has
      access to a firearm.
      Subd. 1b. Armed with a weapon. An individual is "armed with a weapon" if at any time in
      the performance of the individual's duties the individual wears, carries, possesses, or has access to:
      (1) a weapon other than a firearm; or
      (2) an immobilizing or restraining device.

      Subd. 13. Security guard. (a) "Security guard" means a person who wears or carries any
      insignia that identifies the person to the public as security, who is paid a fee, wage, or salary
      to do one or more of the following:
      (1) prevent or detect intrusion, unauthorized entry or activity, vandalism, or trespass on
      private property;
      (2) prevent or detect theft, loss, embezzlement, misappropriation, or concealment of
      merchandise, money, bonds, stocks, notes, or other valuable documents or papers;
      (3) control, regulate, or direct the flow or movements of the public, whether by vehicle or
      otherwise, to assure protection of private property;
      (4) protect individuals from bodily harm; or
      (5) enforce policies and rules of the security guard's employer related to crime reduction to
      the extent that the enforcement falls within the scope of the security guard's duties.
      (b) The term "security guard" does not include:
      (1) an auditor, accountant, or accounting clerk performing audits or accounting functions;
      (2) an employee of a firm licensed under section 326.3381 whose duties are primarily
      administrative or clerical in nature;
      (3) a person employed by a proprietary company to conduct plainclothes surveillance or
      investigation;
      (4) a person temporarily employed under statute or ordinance by political subdivisions to
      provide protective services at social functions;
      (5) an employee of an air or rail carrier;
      (6) a customer service representative or sales clerk employed in a retail establishment; or
      (7) a person employed to perform primarily maintenance or custodial functions.
      Subd. 14.[Renumbered subd 1a]
      History: 1974 c 310 s 1; 1975 c 271 s 6; 1984 c 649 s 5; 1986 c 444; 1987 c 360 s 1-6; 1989
      c 171 s 1,2; 1990 c 485 s 1; 2001 c 168 s 1,2
      Last edited by CorpSec; 06-10-2007, 02:18 AM.

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      • #63
        Ya know, I see a Securitas mini SUV drive by HCMC almost every night, and they have a red lightbar. Anyone from the Twin Cities know what that's about?
        Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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        • #64
          Originally posted by sgtnewby View Post
          Ya know, I see a Securitas mini SUV drive by HCMC almost every night, and they have a red lightbar. Anyone from the Twin Cities know what that's about?
          I don't know, but I would hope that they looked into it to check it's legality. But, you never know.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
            I don't know, but I would hope that they looked into it to check it's legality. But, you never know.

            If they perform funeral escorts, it would seem that it is legal.

            169.04 LOCAL AUTHORITY.
            (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not be deemed to prevent local authorities, with
            respect to streets and highways under their jurisdiction, and with the consent of the commissioner,
            with respect to state trunk highways, within the corporate limits of a municipality, or within the
            limits of a town in a county in this state now having or which may hereafter have, a population of
            500,000 or more, and a land area of not more than 600 square miles, and within the reasonable
            exercise of the police power from:
            (1) regulating the standing or parking of vehicles;
            (2) regulating traffic by means of police officers or traffic-control signals;
            (3) regulating or prohibiting processions or assemblages on the highways;
            (4) designating particular highways as one-way roadways and requiring that all vehicles,
            except emergency vehicles, when on an emergency run, thereon be moved in one specific
            direction;
            (5) designating any highway as a through highway and requiring that all vehicles stop before
            entering or crossing the same, or designating any intersection as a stop intersection, and requiring
            all vehicles to stop at one or more entrances to such intersections;
            (6) restricting the use of highways as authorized in sections 169.80 to 169.88.
            (b) No ordinance or regulation enacted under paragraph (a), clause (4), (5), or (6), shall be
            effective until signs giving notice of such local traffic regulations are posted upon and kept posted
            upon or at the entrance to the highway or part thereof affected as may be most appropriate.
            (c) No ordinance or regulation enacted under paragraph (a), clause (3), or any other provision
            of law shall prohibit:
            (1) the use of motorcycles or vehicles utilizing flashing red lights for the purpose of escorting
            funeral processions, oversize buildings, heavy equipment, parades or similar processions or
            assemblages on the highways; or

            (2) the use of motorcycles or vehicles that are owned by the funeral home and that utilize
            flashing red lights for the purpose of escorting funeral processions.
            History: (2720-158) 1937 c 464 s 8; 1939 c 359; 1957 c 130 s 2; 1969 c 429 s 1; 2002
            c 316 s 1
            ATTN. SPECOPS AND GECKO45 my secret username is CIDDECEP and I am your S2. My authorization code is Six Wun Quebec Oscar Fife. Your presence here is tactically dangerous and compromises our overall mission parameter. Cease and desist all activity on this board. Our “enemies” are deft at computer hacking and may trace you back to our primary locale. You have forced me to compromise my situation to protect your vulnerable flank. This issue will be addressed later.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Minneapolis Security View Post
              If they perform funeral escorts, it would seem that it is legal.
              I don't think they're doing too many funeral escorts at 2am.
              I only see that vehicle while I'm working and I only work overnights. And, they are never escorting anything.
              Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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              • #67
                Originally posted by sgtnewby View Post
                I don't think they're doing too many funeral escorts at 2am.
                I only see that vehicle while I'm working and I only work overnights. And, they are never escorting anything.
                I have seen that before too... It's a Ford Escape with an all red Code 3 MX, right? They do a couple patrol hits in Bloomington. I was very "wtf" about it.
                "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by davis002 View Post
                  I have seen that before too... It's a Ford Escape with an all red Code 3 MX, right? They do a couple patrol hits in Bloomington. I was very "wtf" about it.
                  Yep, the all light MX7000.
                  Me too, everytime I see it I think to myself, 'How do they get away with that?' Does Securitas even have armed security?
                  Apparently a HUGE cop wannabe...

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by sgtnewby View Post
                    Yep, the all light MX7000.
                    Me too, everytime I see it I think to myself, 'How do they get away with that?' Does Securitas even have armed security?
                    My observation... unless someone complains and makes waves, the state wont intervene. An all-red lightbar (the real issue is the forward facing red) should be enough waves, but I guess not.

                    Securitas has armed security at the Minneapolis Water Works, or at least they used to... Problem with that is they carry the old revolvers they used when they were armed at US Bank. From what I am told, some of those revolvers are so old and worn, they don't work very well (jams and what not). The office refuses to give them better equipment because "they will never use them".
                    "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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                    • #70
                      Securitas picked up the Jared Galleria of Jewelers account and that is armed. They also have some security at Block E that is supposed to be armed with everything short of a firearm.

                      They just bought a few refurbished Berettas, I believe 92's, for $25 each from a local sheriffs office. Nothing but the best.

                      When I was with Pinkerton back in the early 90's, they got a diamond show account and scrambled to find ex military who could pass a quick qualifying course. My partner at the time worked the show and they carried guns with no ammo.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
                        Securitas picked up the Jared Galleria of Jewelers account and that is armed. They also have some security at Block E that is supposed to be armed with everything short of a firearm.

                        They just bought a few refurbished Berettas, I believe 92's, for $25 each from a local sheriffs office. Nothing but the best.

                        When I was with Pinkerton back in the early 90's, they got a diamond show account and scrambled to find ex military who could pass a quick qualifying course. My partner at the time worked the show and they carried guns with no ammo.

                        That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Well, almost. Isn't there a law covering this? I know some states forbid unloaded guns by security.
                        ATTN. SPECOPS AND GECKO45 my secret username is CIDDECEP and I am your S2. My authorization code is Six Wun Quebec Oscar Fife. Your presence here is tactically dangerous and compromises our overall mission parameter. Cease and desist all activity on this board. Our “enemies” are deft at computer hacking and may trace you back to our primary locale. You have forced me to compromise my situation to protect your vulnerable flank. This issue will be addressed later.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by sgtnewby View Post
                          Yep, the all light MX7000.
                          Me too, everytime I see it I think to myself, 'How do they get away with that?' Does Securitas even have armed security?
                          I know they have some nuke plants *somewhere*, I've seen a copy of the securitas newsletter. Nice AR's, but same old lousy uniforms.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Minneapolis Security View Post
                            That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Well, almost. Isn't there a law covering this? I know some states forbid unloaded guns by security.
                            That office was run so poorly, I don't think that they cared about the laws, or even knew about them.

                            Here are a couple of my favorite Pinkerton stories from the 9 months I worked for them 15 years ago.

                            A guard at a car dealership was supposed to go through and shut windows and sunroofs at the start of his shift. Well, he didn't even bother and it rained and soaked the interior of a bunch of cars. Including a couple of pricey Corvettes. The car dealer canned Pinkerton the next day.

                            That night a different guard showed up and let himself in with his issued key. He did his initial patrol and called into the office to check in. It was only then that they told him that they lost the account and to leave immediately.

                            At another account, a guy was as sick as a dog and the client asked him why he just didn't go in and get checked out. The officer told him he couldn't afford to because he didn't have any insurance. The client said that he was supposed to be covered and asked all the other officers about their health coverage. They all replied with "what health coverage?" The client went back to his office and re-checked the contract and he was a paying a pretty penny for health coverage for all the full time assigned officers.

                            I guess he clouded up and rained all over the office and they shrugged it off as a misunderstanding or a paperwork error in California. Not a chance. I would bet dollars to donuts that they were pocketing the health insurance money as extra profit.

                            In contract security, I have noticed a steady 80/20 rule. The office spends 80 percent of their time lying to the client and the other 20 percent they reserve for lying to their officers.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by wilrobnson View Post
                              I know they have some nuke plants *somewhere*, I've seen a copy of the securitas newsletter. Nice AR's, but same old lousy uniforms.

                              There is one other legal explenation.

                              Subd. 5. Authorized emergency vehicle. "Authorized emergency vehicle" means any of
                              the following vehicles when equipped and identified according to law: (1) a vehicle of a fire
                              department; (2) a publicly owned police vehicle or a privately owned vehicle used by a police
                              officer for police work under agreement, express or implied, with the local authority to which
                              the officer is responsible; (3) a vehicle of a licensed land emergency ambulance service, whether
                              publicly or privately owned; (4) an emergency vehicle of a municipal department or a public
                              service corporation, approved by the commissioner of public safety or the chief of police of a
                              municipality; (5) any volunteer rescue squad operating pursuant to Laws 1959, chapter 53; (6) a
                              vehicle designated as an authorized emergency vehicle upon a finding by the commissioner of
                              public safety that designation of that vehicle is necessary to the preservation of life or property or
                              to the execution of emergency governmental functions.


                              Or they may just be ill informed!
                              ATTN. SPECOPS AND GECKO45 my secret username is CIDDECEP and I am your S2. My authorization code is Six Wun Quebec Oscar Fife. Your presence here is tactically dangerous and compromises our overall mission parameter. Cease and desist all activity on this board. Our “enemies” are deft at computer hacking and may trace you back to our primary locale. You have forced me to compromise my situation to protect your vulnerable flank. This issue will be addressed later.

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                              • #75
                                preservation of life and property? Isn't that what security guards do in Minnesota by statute?

                                Sounds like a "we can make any security company we want have emergency lights."

                                Although, it may of been for fire departments.
                                Some Kind of Commando Leader

                                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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