Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Many in-house guards unregulated

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • sgtnewby
    replied
    Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
    I was talking to one of my officers, a recently retired HCSO deputy, about HCMC. He seemed in favor of it becoming a police department and said that around 30 years ago, the security there was provided by sworn deputies. The deputies also secured the gov't center but got kicked out due to politics.
    I think politics is what happened here. Deputies still work all county government buildings aside from here. I know we have had guys that started here as security in 1978, the yaer I was born! And, actually, a higher up MPD officer (LT.) came and gave a discussion on how we can go about becoming a licensed PD. It'll take years though, if it happens at all...

    Leave a comment:


  • CorpSec
    replied
    I was talking to one of my officers, a recently retired HCSO deputy, about HCMC. He seemed in favor of it becoming a police department and said that around 30 years ago, the security there was provided by sworn deputies. The deputies also secured the gov't center but got kicked out due to politics.

    Leave a comment:


  • sgtnewby
    replied
    Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
    Abbott Northwestern. He is a boss, not a line officer. Their officer pay should be on par with HCMC since they see the same types of action. I see that North Memorial is currently hiring as well. I thought their pay topped out higher, but I could be wrong.

    Regions Hospital doesn't really pay that well at all compared to other in-house operations. I interviewed a guy for my last opening and he was only making $15.40 after a few years there.

    Hospital security really takes a special breed, I did it for 4 years and enjoyed it. But what is fun in your early 20's doesn't always hold the same appeal in your 30's.
    We have a few of our guys that work part time at Abbott, they do see some of the same stuff that we do but they usually send it to us. The reason is that they are a level 3 trauma center and are not equiped or staffed to recieve the same level of trauma as us (we're level 1). They are in a very bad part of town but they have enough officers on duty at a time to keep the place really secure, and now they have Taser's (before us! ). In 2005, we saw 224 gunshot victims. 80% were gang or drug related, and of that 80%, 70% were dumped at our front or back door because they either forgot the number for 911 or the couldn't find the 11 button on their phone. You should ask your friend what their current "calls for service" stats are at this point in the year. I'm not sure about our supervisors, but line staff here are at about 2,100+ calls for service so far this year each, which puts us at about 63,000 calls for service as a department this year in only 6 months! That's everything from an escort to a vehicle, restraints, arrests, trespassings, etc...
    Last edited by sgtnewby; 06-03-2007, 01:02 AM.

    Leave a comment:


  • CorpSec
    replied
    Abbott Northwestern. He is a boss, not a line officer. Their officer pay should be on par with HCMC since they see the same types of action. I see that North Memorial is currently hiring as well. I thought their pay topped out higher, but I could be wrong.

    Regions Hospital doesn't really pay that well at all compared to other in-house operations. I interviewed a guy for my last opening and he was only making $15.40 after a few years there.

    Hospital security really takes a special breed, I did it for 4 years and enjoyed it. But what is fun in your early 20's doesn't always hold the same appeal in your 30's.

    Leave a comment:


  • sgtnewby
    replied
    Originally posted by CorpSec View Post
    Give me the money, I couldn't care less about the gun in a corporate environment. I worked with a guy years back that worked for a little mom and pop outfit that claimed as long as he could carry his gun he would work for a dollar an hour. His co-workers would catch him playing quick draw and everything.

    He must have done a lot of growing up because he is now in supervision at another big hospital campus in a very bad area of Minneapolis. That is unarmed work and probably pays in the $25+ range. I guess he came around to my way of thinking!

    Which hospital?

    Abbott tops out for officers at about $18.00 per hour.

    North Memorial tops out for officers at about $21.00 per hour.

    HCMC topts out at $22.10 per hour.

    (last time we checked the market)

    Leave a comment:


  • Mr. Security
    replied
    The COL in many areas of NE (New England) is steep. For example, a small one bedroom apartment rents for $650-700/month and a small three bedroom house sells for approximately $250,000. However, SOs unarmed are only paid $9-12/hour. This means that you need a second income or 20-40 hours of overtime a week to manage.

    I would gladly work for those MN hourly rates.

    Leave a comment:


  • Christopherstjo
    replied
    Traditionally, in-house has always paid better and had better benefits. I think this stems largely becuase of a sense of personal ownership in security as opposed to contract security that is pretty much in it for the bottom dollar.

    I think contract security had the potential to be huge benefit but unfortunately too many private employer's merely see it as a means to fill their greed by applying the "warm body" syndrome, and paying crappy wages and as little beneifts (if any) as possible.

    Leave a comment:


  • CorpSec
    replied
    Originally posted by sgtnewby View Post
    When I worked private armed, the most I got paid was $10.25 an hour with no bennefits at all. What's messed up is, Minnesota Correctional Facilities, trainee pay for at least 6 weeks, is $12.74 per hour...
    Give me the money, I couldn't care less about the gun in a corporate environment. I worked with a guy years back that worked for a little mom and pop outfit that claimed as long as he could carry his gun he would work for a dollar an hour. His co-workers would catch him playing quick draw and everything.

    He must have done a lot of growing up because he is now in supervision at another big hospital campus in a very bad area of Minneapolis. That is unarmed work and probably pays in the $25+ range. I guess he came around to my way of thinking!

    Leave a comment:


  • sgtnewby
    replied
    Originally posted by CorpSec View Post

    If I took a job as a sworn officer, I would be taking a large pay cut to start out and it wouldn't quite catch up after time. Public sector raises tend to be in the 2.5 to 3 percent range. Our raises have averaged double that, sometimes more.

    There really isn't much armed security around these parts. Armed doesn't really pay all that great either with most, not all, companies. I can comfortably say that their are a lot more unarmed security personnel in this area making $20 plus than armed.

    When I worked private armed, the most I got paid was $10.25 an hour with no bennefits at all. What's messed up is, Minnesota Correctional Facilities, trainee pay for at least 6 weeks, is $12.74 per hour...

    Leave a comment:


  • CorpSec
    replied
    Contract security around here has really raised the bar on wages, but their benefits still lag far behind in-house. I get 5 weeks off a year paid and have 3 more weeks in my PTO bank. I get profit sharing, the company reimburses me for my suits and pays for their dry cleaning. I get full medical and dental, a 401K, and a pretty good pension.

    If I took a job as a sworn officer, I would be taking a large pay cut to start out and it wouldn't quite catch up after time. Public sector raises tend to be in the 2.5 to 3 percent range. Our raises have averaged double that, sometimes more.

    There really isn't much armed security around these parts. Armed doesn't really pay all that great either with most, not all, companies. I can comfortably say that their are a lot more unarmed security personnel in this area making $20 plus than armed.
    Last edited by CorpSec; 06-02-2007, 02:46 AM.

    Leave a comment:


  • sgtnewby
    replied
    Originally posted by Christopherstjo View Post
    But what is the cost of living there? It may be that the 15-25 an hour equals out to be comparable to other states when taking into account the cost of living.
    It's not bad, I own my own home (not a town-home) with a 3 car garage that was built in 1998. I have a new car (baught new in 01), have 2 dogs, and still have money left over.

    Leave a comment:


  • CorpSec
    replied
    The cost of living here isn't that bad. I bought a place in 2002 for $145,000 in a nice suburb and I think that things are more or less pretty reasonably priced compared to the coasts. A nice apartment can be had for $700-800 a month.

    Warm body contract security work can easily pay $12 or so. In-house tends to pay considerably more. I have officers that make over 50k that still bi*ch about the wages!

    Leave a comment:


  • Christopherstjo
    replied
    I know that the federal accounts here, in KCMO, pay right around $20 an hour. The rest is pretty poor wages, all things considered and cost of living taken into account.

    I know of one private employer who requires their s/o's to buy their own uniforms and is pretty unreasonable in what they will and will not allow; expecting their s/o's to pay as much as $70 to $80 dollars for a pair of pants on top of having to buy their own shirts; hats, coats and duty belt equipment. Yet, offer no benefits and pay only $10 an hour to start.

    Leave a comment:


  • N. A. Corbier
    replied
    Originally posted by Christopherstjo View Post
    But what is the cost of living there? It may be that the 15-25 an hour equals out to be comparable to other states when taking into account the cost of living.
    I thought about that, but if I remember correctly, its still a lot of money, even with COL. I think that quite a few companies are paying their employees 8-10 an hour in that city.

    Leave a comment:


  • Christopherstjo
    replied
    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
    That security personnel make 15-25 dollars an hour in Minneapolis has always astounded me.
    But what is the cost of living there? It may be that the 15-25 an hour equals out to be comparable to other states when taking into account the cost of living.

    Leave a comment:

Leaderboard

Collapse
Working...
X