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  • sgtnewby
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    You only had to say the words "public employee pension" and that was reason enough! Hang onto that, for sure.
    Absotivly posolutly!

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by sgtnewby View Post
    I actually wouldn't want to work at any other hospital in the Twin Cities metro area because we are the highest paid and the only hospital security in MN to get P.E.R.A. (Public Employee Retirement Association) "correctional officer" pension, excluding VA police of course. I do agree though that the CPO does not have much to do with hospital security work.
    You only had to say the words "public employee pension" and that was reason enough! Hang onto that, for sure.

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  • sgtnewby
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    True - hospitals are unique security venues, as I've mentioned before. They also have a whole bunch of safety and legal requirements that affect the security operation. I'd want people to have the formal training in those areas that the CPO does not cover.

    And, the CPP seems like a pretty stiff requirement for supervisors, since it requires a bachelor's degree plus other experience. Usually, CPP is a requirement for security program managers. If he's going with the CPO for officers, why not go with the CSS (Certified Security Supervisor) cert from the IFPO for supervisors?

    The only reasoning I can think of (and it really isn't fair for me to say this) is that other hospitals in your area would be much more interested in hiring officers away from your organization if you guys had the CHSS cert and might not give much credence at all to the CPO (in the hospital setting, I mean, not because CPO is necessarily a bad cert itself).

    Vurry puzzling indeed....
    I actually wouldn't want to work at any other hospital in the Twin Cities metro area because we are the highest paid and the only hospital security in MN to get P.E.R.A. (Public Employee Retirement Association) "correctional officer" pension, excluding VA police of course. I do agree though that the CPO does not have much to do with hospital security work.

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  • GCMC Security
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    I just noticed on IAHSS.ORG if you have the 3rd edition of the Basic manual you need to take the exam by 12/31/2007. They've come out with the 4th edition now.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by GCMC Security View Post
    You may now take it online. If you want to take a paper exam it has to be a IAHSS approved moderator. The closest one to my area I believe is Tallahassee which is a few hours away. I took mine online.
    Thanks for the info, GCMC - you is de MAN!

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by sgtnewby View Post
    We have one supervisor that is an IAHSS member, but it was his idea for all of us to get the CPO, CPI, and CPP (depending on the position). I would have to agree that it doesn't have much to do with the hospital environment. Hospital security is a very differant animal from everything I have ever worked before.
    True - hospitals are unique security venues, as I've mentioned before. They also have a whole bunch of safety and legal requirements that affect the security operation. I'd want people to have the formal training in those areas that the CPO does not cover.

    And, the CPP seems like a pretty stiff requirement for supervisors, since it requires a bachelor's degree plus other experience. Usually, CPP is a requirement for security program managers. If he's going with the CPO for officers, why not go with the CSS (Certified Security Supervisor) cert from the IFPO for supervisors?

    The only reasoning I can think of (and it really isn't fair for me to say this) is that other hospitals in your area would be much more interested in hiring officers away from your organization if you guys had the CHSS cert and might not give much credence at all to the CPO (in the hospital setting, I mean, not because CPO is necessarily a bad cert itself).

    Vurry puzzling indeed....

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  • sgtnewby
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    Interesting. Seems odd to me that any hospital would deliberately bypass IAHSS certification (which requires that all SO's be CHSOs, I think). I have the materials for all the CHSO exams - Basic, Safety and Supervisor - and the CPO/CSS materials, and the CHSO does seem much more appropriate for the challenges that hospitals face than the CPO would be.
    We have one supervisor that is an IAHSS member, but it was his idea for all of us to get the CPO, CPI, and CPP (depending on the position). I would have to agree that it doesn't have much to do with the hospital environment. Hospital security is a very differant animal from everything I have ever worked before.

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  • acrand
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    Originally posted by Investigation View Post
    Is the CPO program still around? I have never met anyone who has participated in it. I have seen the CHSO program study guide and it is very detailed. It is used by a few hospitals in my area.
    CPO is still around. I got my certification back in 2002, however, they have done some updates since then. They now require continuing education and the CPO manual has been revised.

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  • GCMC Security
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    My understanding has always been that an IAHSS member has to administer the CHSO exam, so it's typically going to be given to people who are already employed on a hospital security staff. Perhaps someone will correct me if I am wrong or if this has changed.

    If my thinking is correct, you'd need to find a hospital security manager (and one who's a member of IAHSS, of course) who would be willing to administer the test to someone who is not on their staff. I could see that some might do this if they anticipate openings. Perhaps someone at IAHSS can advise you.

    You can certainly take the CPO exam on your own hook, though (w/o being employed as an SO).
    You may now take it online. If you want to take a paper exam it has to be a IAHSS approved moderator. The closest one to my area I believe is Tallahassee which is a few hours away. I took mine online.

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  • Investigation
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    Interesting. Seems odd to me that any hospital would deliberately bypass IAHSS certification (which requires that all SO's be CHSOs, I think). I have the materials for all the CHSO exams - Basic, Safety and Supervisor - and the CPO/CSS materials, and the CHSO does seem much more appropriate for the challenges that hospitals face than the CPO would be.
    Is the CPO program still around? I have never met anyone who has participated in it. I have seen the CHSO program study guide and it is very detailed. It is used by a few hospitals in my area.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by sgtnewby View Post
    I just took the CPO test last week after having the book for about 5 months. I didn't come close to studying every day but I got lucky when I took the test because I had a lot of medical, fire, explosives, and traffic management questions. I'm a first responder, state certified firefighter, have attended lectures from one of the local bomb squads, and I was a police reserve here in MN for 7 years and we did a lot of traffic work for parades, accidents, and highway construction zones. We have learned that if your security experience is limited, such as only having worked in corrections, the test is a lot harder. Another thing is don't read too much into test questions, your first reaction to the question is probably correct. We don't take the IAHSS testing at our hospital, but CPO is required for officers, CPI is required for investigators, and CPP is required for supervisors. Anyway, good luck with your studying!
    Interesting. Seems odd to me that any hospital would deliberately bypass IAHSS certification (which requires that all SO's be CHSOs, I think). I have the materials for all the CHSO exams - Basic, Safety and Supervisor - and the CPO/CSS materials, and the CHSO does seem much more appropriate for the challenges that hospitals face than the CPO would be.

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  • SecTrainer
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    My understanding has always been that an IAHSS member has to administer the CHSO exam, so it's typically going to be given to people who are already employed on a hospital security staff. Perhaps someone will correct me if I am wrong or if this has changed.

    If my thinking is correct, you'd need to find a hospital security manager (and one who's a member of IAHSS, of course) who would be willing to administer the test to someone who is not on their staff. I could see that some might do this if they anticipate openings. Perhaps someone at IAHSS can advise you.

    You can certainly take the CPO exam on your own hook, though (w/o being employed as an SO).
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 05-22-2007, 04:30 PM.

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  • Mike in Cincy
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    Chso/cpo

    My experience has always been in retail security, however, I want to move over to hospital security. I have a BS in Criminal Justice and thought about taking the CHSO first, then the CPO test. I was wanting to do this to look more attractive during the application process. Should I not do this in advance or wait to get hired first, then study for it?

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  • sgtnewby
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    I just took the CPO test last week after having the book for about 5 months. I didn't come close to studying every day but I got lucky when I took the test because I had a lot of medical, fire, explosives, and traffic management questions. I'm a first responder, state certified firefighter, have attended lectures from one of the local bomb squads, and I was a police reserve here in MN for 7 years and we did a lot of traffic work for parades, accidents, and highway construction zones. We have learned that if your security experience is limited, such as only having worked in corrections, the test is a lot harder. Another thing is don't read too much into test questions, your first reaction to the question is probably correct. We don't take the IAHSS testing at our hospital, but CPO is required for officers, CPI is required for investigators, and CPP is required for supervisors. Anyway, good luck with your studying!
    Last edited by sgtnewby; 05-22-2007, 02:17 PM.

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  • GCMC Security
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    Originally posted by EMTGuard View Post
    I've never even heard of this. Very interesting.
    http://iahss.org/cert_welcome.asp

    Here ya go.

    Some hospitals are requiring their officers to get the basic and supervisors to get the advanced and supervisory.

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