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  • SEO_09
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    I have carried the ASP Baton and am certified in its use. When used properly the weapon is an invaluable tool. If it is depolyed properly, which is sometimes harder than it sounds, it will perform to its potential. But you must always remember that pain tolerance, or drug use can lessen the effects of the weapon substancially. This is true with OC and a firearm also.

    --Stay Safe

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  • bigdog
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    Originally posted by CorpSec
    I just gathered around several of my officers and we watched a few Youtube videos with cops using their asps again. In one, there is a fight in a booking room and the cop strikes the suspect with the asp with absolutely no effect. In another, an officer is in a knock down drag out fight for a minute and a half and hits the guy probably ten to fifteen times with the asp with zero impact. In yet another one, an officer hits an old man a couple of times as he is removing a shovel from the back of his truck. Again, no effect really seen.

    No amount of gear on your belt can substitute for some good old fashioned officer safety, physical fitness and ground fighting skills.
    heres a video where an officer strikes a suspect with an asp twice and the suspect surrenders.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qvO25Nqo9...elated&search=

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  • CorpSec
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    I just gathered around several of my officers and we watched a few Youtube videos with cops using their asps again. In one, there is a fight in a booking room and the cop strikes the suspect with the asp with absolutely no effect. In another, an officer is in a knock down drag out fight for a minute and a half and hits the guy probably ten to fifteen times with the asp with zero impact. In yet another one, an officer hits an old man a couple of times as he is removing a shovel from the back of his truck. Again, no effect really seen.

    No amount of gear on your belt can substitute for some good old fashioned officer safety, physical fitness and ground fighting skills.

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  • davis002
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    Originally posted by CorpSec
    I think the asp is more show than go. I have seen several videos on YouTube where officers have used their asps and the suspects acted as though they were hit with a wet noodle.

    It is a great psychological tool, but if they person calls your bluff I don't think it is worth much. I carried a 26 asp for years. It is great for breaking windows and that is about it.
    I agree... In roughly 5 years, I have used my ASP for its intended purpose twice with mixed results. If I could eliminate it from my duty belt, I would... but I can't. So, now I carry a 21" lightweight version.

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  • CorpSec
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    I think the asp is more show than go. I have seen several videos on YouTube where officers have used their asps and the suspects acted as though they were hit with a wet noodle.

    It is a great psychological tool, but if they person calls your bluff I don't think it is worth much. I carried a 26 asp for years. It is great for breaking windows and that is about it.

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  • davis002
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    Originally posted by dannyr619
    check with your local laws because in CA we cannot use the baton in a defencive manner (only offence).
    Wouldn't that be the other way around?

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  • BoyInBlue
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    The PR-24 has such a bad rap in CA... but it is a great tool. I highly recommend getting training beyond the minimum requirements because it can be the most versatile tool on your belt. Just check with your local laws because in CA we cannot use the baton in a defencive manner (only offence).

    I found this book at my library:
    http://www.amazon.com/Koga-Method-Po...8682444&sr=1-1
    Written by LAPD and martial arts instructor Koga.

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  • Investigation
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    Many angencies, including the federal government, still cary the PR-24. It is a very versitile tool to carry and use. For some time, they have made the expandable PR-24 (one resides on my duty belt as I type). This prevents an officer from leaving it in the car. As far as looking too tactical? I guess this could be an issue, but it is not a problem where I work considering that it is in a high crime area and we are the first responders for any enforcement activities.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    There are several reasons that both security and police agencies switched to expandable batons, both by ASP and Monadnock. The most important is that you won't leave your ASP in the car when get get out, it remains on your belt.

    The second is the level of training required (8 hours) to use an expandable baton vs. the PR-24 (40+ hours for both the Protect and Restrain Segments of Monadnock PR-24 training.)

    As far as "too tactical," I actually have heard this before. Part of it is due to the Rodney King incident, the second part is that the full sized PR-24 (just like a Koga or straight baton) is a stick, and makes people think of billies and beat clubs.

    That, and someone who is practiced and proficient in the full PR-24 Protect and Restrain Course can do some serious damage with a PR-24.

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  • Qarlo X64
    started a topic Do any of you PSOs carry the PR-24?

    Do any of you PSOs carry the PR-24?

    ...as in the old school single piece side handled "baton" ??? Right now the mall I'm working at is finally allowing the carry of the Asp/gravity stick, but a few of us prefer the older (and tried & true) PR-24. The Mall seems to think the PR-24 is "too tactical" versus the collapsable Asp. This makes me laugh a bit because the ear pieces we wear are "tactical" as even LEOs still use the open air lapel mic. I disagree on this decree, as do a few others but it's not our call. Of course I'm just going to buy me a collapsable PR-24esque Asp anyhow (nice circumvention), but I truly prefer the single piece baton, and in defense of that fine PDW.

    So do any of you (either non commissioned or commissioned) carry one of the old school batons? I still see a few LEOs wearing them but not often as most of them carry the Asp as well. I just find it odd that something that was once a basic part of Security and Police work as a non firearm PDW is now considered "tactical" and the weapon of a Boogey Man Unit.

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