If someone doesn't want to be handcuffed, and you try to handcuff them anyway, its an attack on their person. Its battery. You are excused if making a lawful arrest or detention, under statute. But make no mistake. You are on the offensive. They resist, or defend themselves, against your attack. You must win, else they will escape or try to hurt you.
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If they actively resist, then it does turn into an attack of sorts. But, the simple act of handcuffing someone in normal circumstances is not an attack in my opinion. At least I have never felt as though anyone I handcuffed was under attack.
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Originally posted by CorpSecIf they actively resist, then it does turn into an attack of sorts. But, the simple act of handcuffing someone in normal circumstances is not an attack in my opinion. At least I have never felt as though anyone I handcuffed was under attack.
Secondly, unless the security officer has police powers, then the security officer acts solely in the capacity of a common law citizen arrest and citizen arrest laws do not grant the legal right for the citizen to arbitrarily use handcuffs as a so-called "routine" act when dealing with suspects. To this end, the security officer is restricted in using handcuffs to only situaitons where the security officer witnessed the crime and is envoking a citizens arrest or where the suspect poses a sufficient danger to him/herself or to others, or the threat of danager based on the suspects size, body mass, phsycial strength, known fighting abilities, menal condition and so forth, and the need to restrict his / her freedom by handcuffs is [plainly] warranted to protect the safety of everyone involved.
However, in this thread, keep in mind, that here we are not dealing with adults but rather juveniles and thus, stricter laws apply and less rights exist for a security officer to take action, in the use of handcuffs, when confronting juvenile suspects.
Moreover, where the only so-called "crime" (sic) that has been allegedly committed is that of violating some "community policy" (sic) on curfew there is no lawful and legal grounds to handcuff the juvenile becuase a "community policy" categorically cannot be enforced as if it is law when it is not and cannot be since laws are only enacted by publicly elected officials in legislative capacities not by "community policies."Last edited by Christopherstjo; 04-30-2007, 08:41 AM.
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Actually, the whole thing is problematic, depending to no small degree on the public/private status of the specific place where the individuals are first detained, and on the legal rights of the "community" to make and enforce "policies" in that place. Even in communities that are constituted as "legal entities", there is very likely to be a mix of public and private space, and a "policy" that you can enforce in the community park might be entirely unenforceable in the street running beside the park.
The fact is that the question of your authority arises when and where you first constrain the individual's movement, whether or not you subsequently hancuff them, and whether or not you subsequently compel them to be transported or even whether you simply detain them for their parents.
Since that's really the point at which the question of your authority to do so (constrain the juvenile's movements) arises, that's where my questions to my corporate attorneys would start.
1. What is the legal authority of this community to make and enforce policies? (Be sure he has reviewed the community covenants, etc.)
2. What are the limits of such authority? In what spaces does it exist? In what spaces does it not exist?
3. In the spaces where the authority does exist, what are our legal options for enforcement?
4. From question 3, of those options, which would present greater or lesser degrees of liability?
With this information in hand, you're still not finished. Now you need to look at the options that have survived the "legal filter" questions above, and ask yourselves some "policy filter" questions to decide which of the legal, lowest-liability options available to you will best serve the purposes that the community is striving to achieve. Whatever you do must survive both "prongs" of the test - legality and good policy.
One thing that I do not believe will serve the interests of the community in the long term is for your agency to develop bad relationships with the juveniles in the community, and quite apart from the significant issues we've already discussed, I think that handcuffing, in particular, is highly likely to cause significant damage to your future relationships not only with those you handcuff but also with their friends who see or hear about it.
It's impossible for me to see how handcuffing survives either test - either the question of legal authority or the question of good policy. Presuming you have the authority under the specific circumstances to detain the juveniles, for many other reasons it should be done in the least coercive way possible. What both you and the community want, presumably, is to achieve voluntary compliance with the policy, and I can't see any way that handcuffing kids and throwing them in the back of your car will achieve that, even on the unlikely assumption that you have the authority to do so.
Curfews come and curfews go, but you must remain in that community doing your job. How you handle this job will impact your agency long after the curfew has been rescinded, so you need not only to do it legally, but do it right.Last edited by SecTrainer; 04-30-2007, 11:20 AM."Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques
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Originally posted by GCMC SecurityIs the Curfew Rule place by the city/county/state? Or is it the Homeowners Assoc?
If it was made by the Homeowners Assoc than it is not a law. If they violate it they are violating a HOA rule and the HOA can Fine them or such but you can't place them "Under Arrest"
I would tell your superiors in the meeting that they and the company lawyers need to review this rule and any possible procedure for Security most rikki tikk
We are supposed to remind them that it is not an arrest, but a safety issue.
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Originally posted by PSOfficerGCMC, Homeowners Assoc.
We are supposed to remind them that it is not an arrest, but a safety issue."Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques
"I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous
"There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9
"History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron
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Originally posted by PSOfficerGCMC, Homeowners Assoc.
We are supposed to remind them that it is not an arrest, but a safety issue.
"You're not putting your hands on me."
Also, they're minors, they may not even have the legal ability to give consent to be handcuffed.Some Kind of Commando Leader
"Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law
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"We are all just one bad decision away from unemployment, prison, or death."
~ Lieutenant Paul Kurtzweil, Polk County (Florida) Sheriff's Office
People think he's kidding when he says that. It is in his signature, for good reason, and something every person who works in protective services (public or private) should remember.Some Kind of Commando Leader
"Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law
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Here's one I use. On the day you accept the job as Chief of Police - consider yourself as being also fired on that day.Retail Security Consultant / Expert Witness
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