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  • Investigation
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    Originally posted by BHR Lawson
    Just thought I would throw this out there...

    I was at an event the other night helping out an Explorer Post I used to be with and the Deputy Director of Security for a Univeristy was there as well. As some of you know, I have a bit of distaste for the Security of this Campus as they are poorly equipped and generally dont look very professional. (Unarmed, officers HAVE to be students, cannot wear vests, ratty old unfit unkempt shirts, jeans, sneakers, they drive a POS from the late 80s early 90s, etc... they DO have OC which suprises me.) I spoke with her for a bit about Virginia Tech. Thought I'd let you guys know how that conversation went...

    Me: So, have you guys made any changes since the Virginia Tech incident?
    Her: Yes, we have made a lot of changes.
    Me: Really, are they going to let security arm up?
    Her: No way, we're a catholic campus. That's not going to happen.
    Me: Are they going to start letting the officers wear kevlar vests?
    Her: Nope.

    I pretty much ended it at that. I am still dissappointed in this campus.
    This is so unfortunate, but expected. I can’t figure out why the university won’t even let them have ballistic armor (probably for aesthetic reasons). That can be easily remedied by a report to Labor and Industries. The University has to provide their officers Personal Protective Equipment (depending on their exposure to potential danger). Where I work, OC spray alone does not fulfill that requirement. I realize that St. Martins is in the Olympia area which is not synonymous with high crime, but if the officers can articulate their concerns clearly on a whistleblower report, then some change for the good may occur (see Harborview Medical Center in Seattle).
    Last edited by Investigation; 05-01-2007, 04:58 PM.

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  • Lawson
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    Though you cannot buy a gun if you have been Involed, it is hard to enforce. HIPAA is very strict and neither gun store owners nor law enforcement have access to medical records that say if the person has ever been committed.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    The second a gun law starts denying lawful purchases for out-patient treatment of a mental disorder that does not create a safety risk to the public, the Department of Justice is required to file an American with Disabilities lawsuit against the legislature in federal court for violating a person's ADA rights.
    Interesting. Can you reference this statement, Nate?

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    The second a gun law starts denying lawful purchases for out-patient treatment of a mental disorder that does not create a safety risk to the public, the Department of Justice is required to file an American with Disabilities lawsuit against the legislature in federal court for violating a person's ADA rights.
    Great system

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    The second a gun law starts denying lawful purchases for out-patient treatment of a mental disorder that does not create a safety risk to the public, the Department of Justice is required to file an American with Disabilities lawsuit against the legislature in federal court for violating a person's ADA rights.

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  • Black Caesar
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    Has it been said why the shppter was able to buy his guns? I know that some US states have VERY relaxed gun laws but they still have some. I understand that this state had a law where a person who had been treated for mental illness could not buy a gun. This guy had been treated for mental illness so why was he sold a gun?
    You can't buy a gun if you've been involuntarily committed in Virginia as far as I know. Cho had never been committed, he'd been treated as an out-patient only.

    The sale was completely legal.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Has it been said why the shppter was able to buy his guns? I know that some US states have VERY relaxed gun laws but they still have some. I understand that this state had a law where a person who had been treated for mental illness could not buy a gun. This guy had been treated for mental illness so why was he sold a gun?

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  • Lawson
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    St. Martins University

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    Originally posted by BHR Lawson
    Just thought I would throw this out there...

    I was at an event the other night helping out an Explorer Post I used to be with and the Deputy Director of Security for a Univeristy was there as well. As some of you know, I have a bit of distaste for the Security of this Campus as they are poorly equipped and generally dont look very professional. (Unarmed, officers HAVE to be students, cannot wear vests, ratty old unfit unkempt shirts, jeans, sneakers, they drive a POS from the late 80s early 90s, etc... they DO have OC which suprises me.) I spoke with her for a bit about Virginia Tech. Thought I'd let you guys know how that conversation went...

    Me: So, have you guys made any changes since the Virginia Tech incident?
    Her: Yes, we have made a lot of changes.
    Me: Really, are they going to let security arm up?
    Her: No way, we're a catholic campus. That's not going to happen.
    Me: Are they going to start letting the officers wear kevlar vests?
    Her: Nope.

    I pretty much ended it at that. I am still dissappointed in this campus.
    Same place I was referring to? STM?

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  • GCMC Security
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    Originally posted by BHR Lawson
    Just thought I would throw this out there...

    I was at an event the other night helping out an Explorer Post I used to be with and the Deputy Director of Security for a Univeristy was there as well. As some of you know, I have a bit of distaste for the Security of this Campus as they are poorly equipped and generally dont look very professional. (Unarmed, officers HAVE to be students, cannot wear vests, ratty old unfit unkempt shirts, jeans, sneakers, they drive a POS from the late 80s early 90s, etc... they DO have OC which suprises me.) I spoke with her for a bit about Virginia Tech. Thought I'd let you guys know how that conversation went...

    Me: So, have you guys made any changes since the Virginia Tech incident?
    Her: Yes, we have made a lot of changes.
    Me: Really, are they going to let security arm up?
    Her: No way, we're a catholic campus. That's not going to happen.
    Me: Are they going to start letting the officers wear kevlar vests?
    Her: Nope.

    I pretty much ended it at that. I am still dissappointed in this campus.
    emphasis mine,

    We are a Catholic hospital and we already have one Armed Officer 40 hrs a week and looking at 24/7

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  • Lawson
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    Just thought I would throw this out there...

    I was at an event the other night helping out an Explorer Post I used to be with and the Deputy Director of Security for a Univeristy was there as well. As some of you know, I have a bit of distaste for the Security of this Campus as they are poorly equipped and generally dont look very professional. (Unarmed, officers HAVE to be students, cannot wear vests, ratty old unfit unkempt shirts, jeans, sneakers, they drive a POS from the late 80s early 90s, etc... they DO have OC which suprises me.) I spoke with her for a bit about Virginia Tech. Thought I'd let you guys know how that conversation went...

    Me: So, have you guys made any changes since the Virginia Tech incident?
    Her: Yes, we have made a lot of changes.
    Me: Really, are they going to let security arm up?
    Her: No way, we're a catholic campus. That's not going to happen.
    Me: Are they going to start letting the officers wear kevlar vests?
    Her: Nope.

    I pretty much ended it at that. I am still dissappointed in this campus.

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  • LPCap
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    I can see that you are one of the people that does not think safety is part of security work (LOL).
    When you are on the road for a fair majority of your job, you learn to adapt and operate your vehicle safely when texting or checking email. Unfortunately for me, I can be citing for DWT (driving while texting) or driving without a hands free set. I have blue tooth for my car when I am driving (which I hate blue tooth) and I can text without looking at the phone for most of it.

    Plus, who cares about safety (lol - j/k)

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by LPCap
    I like my phone/computer. I am good at the two thumb typing and one thumb when I am driving :->
    I can see that you are one of the people that does not think safety is part of security work (LOL).

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  • LPCap
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    When phones started running Java apps, they became computers with very small screens and sucktastically useless keyboards.
    I like my phone/computer. I am good at the two thumb typing and one thumb when I am driving :->

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by GCMC Security
    As well as some people receive email on their phones or blackberrys. Also some students may live off campus and check their email before leaving the house to go to class.
    E-Mail Delivery systems have come a long way, it used to be you needed to be tied to a dedicated computer with internet to get your mail. Now, I routinely get selected emails to my phone, as well as have the ability to check my gmail, google apps for domains, and intranet mail. All from my J2ME enabled mobile phone.

    When phones started running Java apps, they became computers with very small screens and sucktastically useless keyboards.

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