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  • SecurityJamesUSA
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    This template is really squared away I personally know several people using it.

    This association will mostly be a place for Security Officers to call home, where they can post on forums, chat with other members and exchange ideas and network for jobs.. So I am not really interested in competing with other groups or making money by selling Certifications. It will be a place where Security Officers can band together.

    I am sure there can be come career development courses for security officers later

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by SecurityJamesUSA
    I have been thinking about starting an Association for Security Officers for some time now. The main reason that I think we need our Association is because there is not a group out there that represents us, I have found a couple but as I stated before they are mostly for originations, or unprofessional or they only want to make money from us. In fact, this is the first professional Security officer Forum that I have found.

    I have been very lucky in the Security Industry, I love this business I have been in the security business since I was 18, I started out making minimum wage and now I make a 6 figure salary. I am not saying this to brag, but to let people know that you can do well in this business if you have a place for advice and to network.

    I want to give back and help my fellow Security officers in what can be a trying profession to be in. We get very little respect from the public, corporate managers look at us an expense that creates no profit for there company and Public Law Enforcement has varied opinions of us (generally not positive). We need a place where we can band together for the good of the people that work in this industry.

    I would like to ask for your help in creating such an origination. I will completely fund the creation of this Association.

    Here are my ideas:

    - The Association will be FREE for all Security Professionals to join, many of us are modestly paid and I will not take advantage of anyone in this business.

    -I spoke to a web developer that makes websites that are similar to the website ?friendster.com? I feel that this type of site will best serve us because this type of websites main purpose is to network a group of people with a similar interest together. I have already given him a deposit and the site will be up in a few weeks. This will be a ?bare bones? version of the site, we will work together to make the site into something we can all be proud of (like the colors, text, ect).

    -What will be the name of this Association? We nee to decide this soon because I need to purchase and register the web domain. A couple of ideas I came up with are; National Security Officers Association, Association of Professional Security Officers, International Security Officers Association. Let me have some ideas.

    What do all of you think?
    Please, for the love of God, make sure the web platform is not ASP .NET. Most Linux based solutions require minimal intervention after the system's up. ASP .NET... The average security debugging of someone's C# .NET code is 100 dollars per hour. And its running on a Windows 2003 server, which means you get to play "I'm sorry, we had down time today." The only way I advise anyone to use Windows 2003 for a server platform is if they're going full out with a hosted Exchange and Live server system.

    As far as a name... (The) Assocation of Professional Security and Protection Officers? (APSPO) By using both "Security" and "Protection," more people are apt to identify their professional with the association. After all, there's a big trend to get away from the word "security" entirely in some companies.

    Another one would be (The) Private Security, Police, and Protection Officer's Assocation (PSPPOA) which identifies just about everyone in the private protective services industry.

    One of the biggest things is advertising and PR. Everyone knows about IFPO because we all see their certifications after the end of employee's, manager's, and supervisor's names. CPP, CSS, etc. These are much the de facto standard for security guard services credentialing. Many states and Canada considers the CPO program continuing education for state/provience certification.

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  • SecurityJamesUSA
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    I have been thinking about starting an Association for Security Officers for some time now. The main reason that I think we need our Association is because there is not a group out there that represents us, I have found a couple but as I stated before they are mostly for originations, or unprofessional or they only want to make money from us. In fact, this is the first professional Security officer Forum that I have found.

    I have been very lucky in the Security Industry, I love this business I have been in the security business since I was 18, I started out making minimum wage and now I make a 6 figure salary. I am not saying this to brag, but to let people know that you can do well in this business if you have a place for advice and to network.

    I want to give back and help my fellow Security officers in what can be a trying profession to be in. We get very little respect from the public, corporate managers look at us an expense that creates no profit for there company and Public Law Enforcement has varied opinions of us (generally not positive). We need a place where we can band together for the good of the people that work in this industry.

    I would like to ask for your help in creating such an origination. I will completely fund the creation of this Association.

    Here are my ideas:

    - The Association will be FREE for all Security Professionals to join, many of us are modestly paid and I will not take advantage of anyone in this business.

    -I spoke to a web developer that makes websites that are similar to the website ?friendster.com? I feel that this type of site will best serve us because this type of websites main purpose is to network a group of people with a similar interest together. I have already given him a deposit and the site will be up in a few weeks. This will be a ?bare bones? version of the site, we will work together to make the site into something we can all be proud of (like the colors, text, ect).

    -What will be the name of this Association? We nee to decide this soon because I need to purchase and register the web domain. A couple of ideas I came up with are; National Security Officers Association, Association of Professional Security Officers, International Security Officers Association. Let me have some ideas.

    What do all of you think?
    Last edited by SecurityJamesUSA; 12-24-2005, 04:32 AM.

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  • S/O245
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    I dont know of many security officer assoc. Does anyone know of any good ones that also cover Ohio S/O's ?? Stay Safe All

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  • Echos13
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    The problem is that most states are "right to work," and they can fire you without cause, just as you can quit without cause.

    "I joined the Florida Security Officer's Association."

    "That's nice, we're letting you go because we don't have a site for you anymore."

    What he said!

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    The problem is that most states are "right to work," and they can fire you without cause, just as you can quit without cause.

    "I joined the Florida Security Officer's Association."

    "That's nice, we're letting you go because we don't have a site for you anymore."

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  • S/O245
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    I just gave the napsoa link thing because of the quotes they have on the web site. On the mian page. But i have not seen the guidelines they are suppose to have.

    But as far as being early when i was with Pinkerton at my two assignments i had we had to be 10 mins early for our shift then we left 10 mins early at the end. With my current comp assignment im at least 5 10 or 15 mins early everyday. I do carry a whsitle with gold chain we wear gold. I have enver had to use it but i guess it may come in handy if ever needed. You never know a traffic crash or anything. As far as white socks I wear black boot socks. Right now i kinda got a quarterboot and tomorrow i will have my new boots. My aunt got them for me for x mas they are 8 inch. I just think black does look better in ase it shows. But on the other hand i could care less if a officer want to wear white or black lol. Now for more dress uniform for anything that requires more dress I would say wear black socks for sure.

    I think a good Security Association would help. I know someone said a employer will fire officers for joining a union. But what i read about Federal Law in reference to a Union it says employees have a right to start a union. It says its illegal to fire employees because they started a union or joined a union. I do think Law Enforcement, Security Unions would be a good idea. The FOP is a really good LEO union.

    Stay Safe All

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by trfoxsail
    There is a good organization at the following link:www.ifpo.org

    They have some certification programs, and seem to be headed in the right direction as far as fostering professionalism in security.
    IFPO seems to be more a credentialing source than an association. They are heavily entrenched in the protective services industry as a source for industry-standard testing and certifications.

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  • trfoxsail
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    Here is a good organization

    There is a good organization at the following link:www.ifpo.org

    They have some certification programs, and seem to be headed in the right direction as far as fostering professionalism in security.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    All of the things in those "professional guidelines" come straight from Florida security guard company rules. Amusingly enough, the standards are simply a small collection of some company rules for most larger companies.

    Do not wear white socks with your uniform (Military regulation handed down to police, handed down to security.) is amusing. To me, unless your socks are visible under your uniform trousers, then you can wear whatever socks you need to to be comfortable while on duty. But, then, I also wear boots. If your socks will be visible, then you wear black. But, this "standard" is nitpicking. There are more interesting standards they could of come up with.

    The whole pen and pad thing was drilled into me with whatever company I worked for. I don't carry a pen and pad. I carry 2 Cross Century pens, a reporter's sized notepad (4 in x 11 in), and keep a steno pad in the car. I can't find any reporter sized notepads up here, but steno pads are easily obtainable. But, I notice this website makes no note of what your supposed to DO with the thing when you get your hands on it. I'll make a post in training about that.

    I wanna know what state gives you 8 hours of training and deputy sheriff powers.

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  • wvd1979
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    I think security personnel deserve better

    I think a professional security association is a good idea as long as it is not a "union". Many employers will terminate workers who join a union if it violates their terms of employment.

    The website in discussion is pretty silly, as others have pointed out. It almost seems like a joke, especially when the "professional guidelines" involve carrying a notebook with a cover and not wearing white socks with your uniform. The main page with the photo of the bad lookin' dude with the arm tattoos and the generic "security officer" badge are equally cheesey.

    I think an association would be a great tool for networking and sharing information about training and job opportunities. If multiple security agencies could share the cost of a training seminar, it could benefit everyone.

    If there are any security personnel who work in the MD/DC area who are interested in forming some kind of association, I'd be willing to help.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Originally posted by SecurityJamesUSA
    Are there any Associations for Security Officers, I have seen a couple of security associations but they seem to be more for upper level managers or organizations.

    Dose anyone know any just for Security Officers?
    Judging by you screen name and the fact that this is a US based Website, I guess your question is directed more towards the US participants; never the less here is what happens outside of the US in relation to Unionism, with particular reference the Security Industry.

    http://lhmu.org.au/lhmu/news/616.html

    Notice that the Union which covers Security Guards is the Liquor, Hospitally & Miscellaneous Union. Many Security Guards feel that they are not adequately represented by this Union and if you read through the Website you will see that moves are in place for Security Guards to form their own Union.

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  • Arff312
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    Originally posted by wvd1979
    I was taking a look at that website and those "professional guidelines" are a JOKE! I'm all for maintaining a professional appearance, but I do not carry a whistle as part of my duties, nor do I have any use for one. And the thing about arriving at least 15 minutes prior to your shift but no more than 30 minutes prior to your shift is pure obsessive compulsive. Anybody who commutes in traffic to work will laugh at that. I'm always on time to work, but nitpicking about a ten minute time span is too much for me.

    Then the thing about coming to the aid of any firefighters, cops, or paramedics when on or off duty is a little too much for me as well. If I'm off duty and in civilian clothes, I'm not going to walk up to cops or paramedics who are working and be like "I'm a security officer, can I help?" No...that is a good way to annoy them. The only exception is if somebody was truly overwhelmed and needed help (i.e. a lone police officer getting assaulted by a suspect)

    I do carry a whistle for the reason that i work at a mall and trafiic direction can be something that i am assigned to. I have training in traffic control from the Fire department (i am a full time firefighter/EMT) and Police (was a explorer) And in that training i have learned a whistle can be useful for traffic control.
    As far as the showing up between 15-30 minutes i can understand being at least 5- 10 minutes early. But there are time when i have been an hour early just because i got done with my errands early or left early ETC... I use that time to get caught up on the happenings of the day and just chat with my fellow workers who may be coming on or off. Also there have been a number of days when they get busy right or before at shift change and need officers to go on a little early.
    Now the stoping to help thing i can tell you that i do stop and help. But not under the title of security officer. I HAVE to by law being EMT and Firefighter. Seeing as how i have Firefighter plates i am not supposed to pass up a scene if there is no one on scene yet. As for any one who stops to offer help they nust beable to identify them selves (ID or Badge) they must also be able to provide proff of training (Badge or Cert.). This is because the on duty responder can lose there job if they let some one do something they are not trained to do.

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  • wvd1979
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    Those PSO guidelines are a joke

    I was taking a look at that website and those "professional guidelines" are a JOKE! I'm all for maintaining a professional appearance, but I do not carry a whistle as part of my duties, nor do I have any use for one. And the thing about arriving at least 15 minutes prior to your shift but no more than 30 minutes prior to your shift is pure obsessive compulsive. Anybody who commutes in traffic to work will laugh at that. I'm always on time to work, but nitpicking about a ten minute time span is too much for me.

    Then the thing about coming to the aid of any firefighters, cops, or paramedics when on or off duty is a little too much for me as well. If I'm off duty and in civilian clothes, I'm not going to walk up to cops or paramedics who are working and be like "I'm a security officer, can I help?" No...that is a good way to annoy them. The only exception is if somebody was truly overwhelmed and needed help (i.e. a lone police officer getting assaulted by a suspect)

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Woo. Does that mean I can keep all of the monies?

    Seriously, there has to be a better attempt at an association out there than the one noted above.

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