It will be interesting to see how this works for Hy-Vee. Here in Minnesota, we do have some armed security, but most of them seem to be contract. At the moment, I am hard pressed to think of any in-house, private security that are armed. I think the liability has scared many/most organizations from arming any in-house folks. Instead, they go unarmed in-house or contract for armed private security.
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What are you trying to say Soper? That armed guards can do absolutely nothing relative to sworn police officers?
True, we can't write offenders tickets nor possess qualified immunity but in most states, the law does permit us to detain for crimes commited in our presence (on post) to hand over into police custody
As well as definitely use deadly force in case of a firearm drawn or mass shootings - as well as otber possible scenarios
So it's not as if armed guards are absolutely impotent in a retail setting, if that's what you're trying to insinuate
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Originally posted by The Enforcer View PostWhat are you trying to say Soper? That armed guards can do absolutely nothing relative to sworn police officers?
True, we can't write offenders tickets nor possess qualified immunity but in most states, the law does permit us to detain for crimes commited in our presence (on post) to hand over into police custody
As well as definitely use deadly force in case of a firearm drawn or mass shootings - as well as otber possible scenarios
So it's not as if armed guards are absolutely impotent in a retail setting, if that's what you're trying to insinuate
He specifically refrenced UNEMPLOYED Police Officers. If the cop is UNEMPLOYED he wouldn't be sworn.
Even if you put an active police officer on the post he's NOT going to stop ten or more shoplifters. He can't shoot them for squeezing the Charmin.
The only REAL solution here is to find a way to control access to the store.
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Originally posted by The Night Rider View Post
He specifically refrenced UNEMPLOYED Police Officers. If the cop is UNEMPLOYED he wouldn't be sworn.
Even if you put an active police officer on the post he's NOT going to stop ten or more shoplifters. He can't shoot them for squeezing the Charmin.
The only REAL solution here is to find a way to control access to the store.
But as far as what either party could LAWFULLY do in said circumstances - it's all the same
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Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post
In that case, if they don't hold any commission whatsoever, I guess they'd have better training with their policing background to deal with whatever circumstances could arise, compared to, say, a barely-experienced guard with a gun on his hip
But as far as what either party could LAWFULLY do in said circumstances - it's all the same
The problem with using Ex-cops is their training assumes a duty to respond AND a commission. I've worked with a few Ex-cops that I had to spend the ENTIRE SHIFT reminding them that security is all about OBSERVE AND REPORT.
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I have a lot of experience hiring ex-police officers into retail security. For the most part they didn't work out and I had to let them go, with a few exceptions. They found it very difficult to make the adjustment from the black and white world to now it's a gray world. I wrote about this very topic in a couple of publications.Retail Security Consultant / Expert Witness
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Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View PostI have a lot of experience hiring ex-police officers into retail security. For the most part they didn't work out and I had to let them go, with a few exceptions. They found it very difficult to make the adjustment from the black and white world to now it's a gray world. I wrote about this very topic in a couple of publications.http://www.laurel-and-hardy.com/ Greatest Comedy team ever!
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Originally posted by copelandamuffy View Post
As always Curtis you are good BTW As I write this your Philadelphia Flyers are losing to my Boston Bruins hockey team Hold on CG Boston will be in Seattle soon enoughRetail Security Consultant / Expert Witness
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I will be watching the Eagles tomorrow.Retail Security Consultant / Expert Witness
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