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    It will be interesting to see how this works for Hy-Vee. Here in Minnesota, we do have some armed security, but most of them seem to be contract. At the moment, I am hard pressed to think of any in-house, private security that are armed. I think the liability has scared many/most organizations from arming any in-house folks. Instead, they go unarmed in-house or contract for armed private security.

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota...-5B8Y5-dCjsPhM

    https://hy-vee.com/corporate/news-ev...eam-to-stores/

    https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/hy-v...ores-/6345412/

  • #2
    Lots of unemployed cops to take those spots. And they can actually do something…

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    • #3
      There's no way I'd do armed retail security. Someone is going to flashmob that store and some guard is going to start blasting. Then the law suits will commence

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Soper View Post
        Lots of unemployed cops to take those spots. And they can actually do something…
        What does that even mean?

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        • #5
          What are you trying to say Soper? That armed guards can do absolutely nothing relative to sworn police officers?

          True, we can't write offenders tickets nor possess qualified immunity but in most states, the law does permit us to detain for crimes commited in our presence (on post) to hand over into police custody

          As well as definitely use deadly force in case of a firearm drawn or mass shootings - as well as otber possible scenarios

          So it's not as if armed guards are absolutely impotent in a retail setting, if that's what you're trying to insinuate

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post
            What are you trying to say Soper? That armed guards can do absolutely nothing relative to sworn police officers?

            True, we can't write offenders tickets nor possess qualified immunity but in most states, the law does permit us to detain for crimes commited in our presence (on post) to hand over into police custody

            As well as definitely use deadly force in case of a firearm drawn or mass shootings - as well as otber possible scenarios

            So it's not as if armed guards are absolutely impotent in a retail setting, if that's what you're trying to insinuate

            He specifically refrenced UNEMPLOYED Police Officers. If the cop is UNEMPLOYED he wouldn't be sworn.

            Even if you put an active police officer on the post he's NOT going to stop ten or more shoplifters. He can't shoot them for squeezing the Charmin.

            The only REAL solution here is to find a way to control access to the store.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Night Rider View Post


              He specifically refrenced UNEMPLOYED Police Officers. If the cop is UNEMPLOYED he wouldn't be sworn.

              Even if you put an active police officer on the post he's NOT going to stop ten or more shoplifters. He can't shoot them for squeezing the Charmin.

              The only REAL solution here is to find a way to control access to the store.
              In that case, if they don't hold any commission whatsoever, I guess they'd have better training with their policing background to deal with whatever circumstances could arise, compared to, say, a barely-experienced guard with a gun on his hip

              But as far as what either party could LAWFULLY do in said circumstances - it's all the same

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

                In that case, if they don't hold any commission whatsoever, I guess they'd have better training with their policing background to deal with whatever circumstances could arise, compared to, say, a barely-experienced guard with a gun on his hip

                But as far as what either party could LAWFULLY do in said circumstances - it's all the same

                The problem with using Ex-cops is their training assumes a duty to respond AND a commission. I've worked with a few Ex-cops that I had to spend the ENTIRE SHIFT reminding them that security is all about OBSERVE AND REPORT.

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                • #9
                  I have a lot of experience hiring ex-police officers into retail security. For the most part they didn't work out and I had to let them go, with a few exceptions. They found it very difficult to make the adjustment from the black and white world to now it's a gray world. I wrote about this very topic in a couple of publications.
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                  Co-Author - Effective Security Management 6th Edition

                  Contributor to Retail Crime, Security and Loss Prevention: An Encyclopedic Reference

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post
                    I have a lot of experience hiring ex-police officers into retail security. For the most part they didn't work out and I had to let them go, with a few exceptions. They found it very difficult to make the adjustment from the black and white world to now it's a gray world. I wrote about this very topic in a couple of publications.
                    As always Curtis you are good BTW As I write this your Philadelphia Flyers are losing to my Boston Bruins hockey team Hold on CG Boston will be in Seattle soon enough
                    http://www.laurel-and-hardy.com/ Greatest Comedy team ever!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by copelandamuffy View Post

                      As always Curtis you are good BTW As I write this your Philadelphia Flyers are losing to my Boston Bruins hockey team Hold on CG Boston will be in Seattle soon enough
                      Cope ... moved away from Philly a few years ago. We now live in Ohio along Lake Erie. Think Cedar Point. Our very last move for sure.
                      Retail Security Consultant / Expert Witness
                      Co-Author - Effective Security Management 6th Edition

                      Contributor to Retail Crime, Security and Loss Prevention: An Encyclopedic Reference

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                      • #12
                        I will be watching the Eagles tomorrow.
                        Retail Security Consultant / Expert Witness
                        Co-Author - Effective Security Management 6th Edition

                        Contributor to Retail Crime, Security and Loss Prevention: An Encyclopedic Reference

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