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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    May the FBI pay you a visit.
    Um..okay...?

    & what'll they be looking 4 or hope 2 find?

    I never advocated or implied any physical violence against said "idiot bastard dirtbags" - that's just how Allah created & molded them & will bring them to justice - why, as often asked, is a matter of the Unseen

    But keep in mind, the U.S. is not an Islamic country & everybody's basically free 2 do whatever suits their whims & fancies

    So don't understand or endorse any notions like that myself

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

    There's no ending an argument with u, I see lol

    The sheikhs I know share these very same opinions with me but because of the office they hold are obliged to be far more soft-spoken - unless absolutely necessary

    May the Most High grant me the strength to overcome the evil from His creation & may He protect me from the above-mentioned
    May the FBI pay you a visit.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    Interesting phrases you use for someone claiming such a Religion of Peace. Does your Imam know what BS you speak and how you refer to people you don’t like and how hyper aggressive you are..?

    You are going to get your butt kicked, HARD. I bet an arrest of you is in the future, not to mention termination.
    There's no ending an argument with u, I see lol

    The sheikhs I know share these very same opinions with me but because of the office they hold are obliged to be far more soft-spoken - unless absolutely necessary

    May the Most High grant me the strength to overcome the evil from His creation & may He protect me from the above-mentioned
    Last edited by The Enforcer; 09-25-2021, 05:00 AM.

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

    First, why do you so badly wish to see me arrested or dead? Honestly, I'm normally way too careful & diligent anyway to allow these variables to transpire

    Did have plenty of situations in the past which got physical with the police involved & never did the tables turn against me (one policeman had however scolded me for giving a big thieving lady a nosebleed lol)

    Secondly, I compromise NOTHING in my religion, which is more than just that but rather a complete, inseparable way of life

    Many issues with idiot clients & dumbass bosses about me washing, taking ablution & praying while on duty (goddamn dirtbag scum wanted me to put them before God ) but by His Grace the situation is largely ameliorated

    Those "muslims" killing Believers overseas are hypocrite bastards & those serving in police forces compromise either a part of - or their entire religion
    Interesting phrases you use for someone claiming such a Religion of Peace. Does your Imam know what BS you speak and how you refer to people you don’t like and how hyper aggressive you are..?

    You are going to get your butt kicked, HARD. I bet an arrest of you is in the future, not to mention termination.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    Plenty of Muslims serving in the military and LE. Your reasoning is false. But that’s good as your attitude would swiftly lead to arrest or death.

    Sharia is NOT the Law of the US, Thank God, and as such, doesn’t play in this game.
    First, why do you so badly wish to see me arrested or dead? Honestly, I'm normally way too careful & diligent anyway to allow these variables to transpire

    Did have plenty of situations in the past which got physical with the police involved & never did the tables turn against me (one policeman had however scolded me for giving a big thieving lady a nosebleed lol)

    Secondly, I compromise NOTHING in my religion, which is more than just that but rather a complete, inseparable way of life

    Many issues with idiot clients & dumbass bosses about me washing, taking ablution & praying while on duty (goddamn dirtbag scum wanted me to put them before God ) but by His Grace the situation is largely ameliorated

    Those "muslims" killing Believers overseas are hypocrite bastards & those serving in police forces compromise either a part of - or their entire religion
    Last edited by The Enforcer; 09-22-2021, 09:27 PM.

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

    I am Muslim, in English - "Submitter" to God's Will by His Grace

    My faith does indeed allow me to protect private concerns & take actions against those who trespass against them - while not stepping outside the bounds of Sharia (God's Legislations) myself when on duty

    & since I & they are on private property & myself is not a sworn government agent (cop/deputy/etc.) - alot of said "constitutional rights" are forfeited, to my best understanding
    Plenty of Muslims serving in the military and LE. Your reasoning is false. But that’s good as your attitude would swiftly lead to arrest or death.

    Sharia is NOT the Law of the US, Thank God, and as such, doesn’t play in this game.

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  • Condo Guard
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    The Constitution (simply put) regulates the government's actions towards the people. Private property owners do have more leeway in certain respects. The gray area is when we (security) start doing things that are the job of the police - using force, detaining people, doing interrogations. The courts have always maintained that people retain certain rights regardless of where they are.

    I won't say the criminals are in control - but in the last two years they've learned there are no consequences (or very few) as long as you don't do certain felonies. People are fed up, but don't know what to do because government has failed. (The Seattle city council just rejected a budget proposal to try to replace the 300 police officers that have quit or retired - and the council can't figure out why the murder rate is up.) COVID has messed up the system in many ways, but instead of finding solutions, a lot of cities just gave up.

    If Security is going to fill the gaps, we have to have the support of the people and much clearer laws - or it will fail, and the "Rent-a-Cop" and "Paul Blart" stereotypes will continue...
    Last edited by Condo Guard; 09-22-2021, 04:56 PM.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    That’s the attitude that will end up with you dying in a gutter.

    Interesting that your “faith” allows you to promise to defend private property for personal gain and allows you to carry and use weapons and means to deprive persons of their Constitutional Rights at your whim.

    What “faith” is that?
    I am Muslim, in English - "Submitter" to God's Will by His Grace

    My faith does indeed allow me to protect private concerns & take actions against those who trespass against them - while not stepping outside the bounds of Sharia (God's Legislations) myself when on duty

    & since I & they are on private property & myself is not a sworn government agent (cop/deputy/etc.) - alot of said "constitutional rights" are forfeited, to my best understanding

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

    Soper, I'm honestly against even wearing a badge unless my employer insists on it

    In consideration of ur comment, I am unable to be a policeman due to my faith (cannot swear an oath to protect a man-made document, which they don't anyway lol - as well as a plethora of other reasons)

    What I do want is for private security to be feared by these dirtbags who keep going "u ain't the poleeese, u can't touch me, u can't do nothing 2 me," & the goddamn observe & report companies are giving them just that satisfaction, even when the state law backs u up 100%
    That’s the attitude that will end up with you dying in a gutter.

    Interesting that your “faith” allows you to promise to defend private property for personal gain and allows you to carry and use weapons and means to deprive persons of their Constitutional Rights at your whim.

    What “faith” is that?

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
    I'm waiting to see how the "defund the police" movement plays out. If private security is going to step in and fill the gaps, the law is going to have to change, and the training and wages are going to have to improve for something like this to work.

    In WA we still have "citizens arrest," but it is highly frowned upon by our progressive liberal judges. You have to have probable cause as an LE officer or a security officer, and you better follow regulations to the letter. In Seattle it wouldn't matter anyways - even if the cops booked the suspect, they'd just release him as you were driving back to the site (or the judge would later).

    Security guards haven't improved for the most part. Wages have gone up, but I don't see any change in quality. (The exception would be in house security and some specialized companies that cater to clients that can afford them.)

    What KC and Soper are getting at is there currently is too much liability and chance for a lawsuit under the legal system and with the kind of S/Os you have running around currently.
    All valid points sir

    But therein lies the stereotype:

    Few crappy guards & now every guard is a lousy, no-goodnik

    & the whole "fear of liability" thing puts the criminals in control & has everyone else by the balls (

    All I can say 2 that on my end is - not on my watch

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    You just want to LOOK like a Police, without being one.
    Soper, I'm honestly against even wearing a badge unless my employer insists on it

    In consideration of ur comment, I am unable to be a policeman due to my faith (cannot swear an oath to protect a man-made document, which they don't anyway lol - as well as a plethora of other reasons)

    What I do want is for private security to be feared by these dirtbags who keep going "u ain't the poleeese, u can't touch me, u can't do nothing 2 me," & the goddamn observe & report companies are giving them just that satisfaction, even when the state law backs u up 100%

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

    Name one thing

    & the lightbulb went off in my head when on post at a building I saw another security company patrolling its garage with a partitioned vehicle; in fact a retired police cruiser as their guard told me

    So I thought it would be good for our industry to at least have such vehicles as a standard or norm

    However I do not believe said company employs the practice I suggested when I ran it by another guard of theirs
    You just want to LOOK like a Police, without being one.

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  • Condo Guard
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    I'm waiting to see how the "defund the police" movement plays out. If private security is going to step in and fill the gaps, the law is going to have to change, and the training and wages are going to have to improve for something like this to work.

    In WA we still have "citizens arrest," but it is highly frowned upon by our progressive liberal judges. You have to have probable cause as an LE officer or a security officer, and you better follow regulations to the letter. In Seattle it wouldn't matter anyways - even if the cops booked the suspect, they'd just release him as you were driving back to the site (or the judge would later).

    Security guards haven't improved for the most part. Wages have gone up, but I don't see any change in quality. (The exception would be in house security and some specialized companies that cater to clients that can afford them.)

    What KC and Soper are getting at is there currently is too much liability and chance for a lawsuit under the legal system and with the kind of S/Os you have running around currently.
    Last edited by Condo Guard; 09-18-2021, 02:58 PM.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    So much wrong.
    Name one thing

    & the lightbulb went off in my head when on post at a building I saw another security company patrolling its garage with a partitioned vehicle; in fact a retired police cruiser as their guard told me

    So I thought it would be good for our industry to at least have such vehicles as a standard or norm

    However I do not believe said company employs the practice I suggested when I ran it by another guard of theirs

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post
    - So you're mobile patrolling an apartment complex in a bad part of town; fully armed

    - You detain a persistent trespasser or some other criminal to hand over into police custody

    - The police, due to a backlog of calls, take forever to show


    - So here it is:


    - Your patrol vehicle has a partition installed

    - Once you have a subject detained & handcuffed, place them in the back seat

    - Then it's off to deposit them @ the police precinct/station house

    - That way it gets taken care of expeditiously & you can soon return to your duties

    - Only obvious caveat is having to leave your post; but on any mobile patrol you often do anyway (gas fillups, food runs)
    So much wrong.

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