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    - So you're mobile patrolling an apartment complex in a bad part of town; fully armed

    - You detain a persistent trespasser or some other criminal to hand over into police custody

    - The police, due to a backlog of calls, take forever to show


    - So here it is:


    - Your patrol vehicle has a partition installed

    - Once you have a subject detained & handcuffed, place them in the back seat

    - Then it's off to deposit them @ the police precinct/station house

    - That way it gets taken care of expeditiously & you can soon return to your duties

    - Only obvious caveat is having to leave your post; but on any mobile patrol you often do anyway (gas fillups, food runs)
    Last edited by The Enforcer; 09-06-2021, 10:41 PM. Reason: Cosmetic

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    Apprehending a suspect for a brief period of time to await an inbound investigating peace officer is one thing. Transporting that individual involuntary to another location is another. If your reason or justification for detention is not solid, you’re likely facing an unlawful imprisonment or kidnapping charge. Regardless, you might also face a criminal impersonation charge. Likely neither your company nor client authorized this level of “service”, so you’ll also face heat from them potentially, as well as your company’s insurance carrier for your apparent frolic and detour from your assigned duties. Moreover, the civil liability exposure would be exceedingly high.
    Last edited by SpecialAgentKC; 09-06-2021, 01:41 PM.
    Bitter clinger to my guns and religion....

    "When I die, I desire no better winding sheet than the Stars and Stripes, and no softer pillow than the Constitution of my country."--Andrew Jackson

    Psychological Operations: Because physical wounds heal.

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    • #3
      Enforcer brings up a problem Security is facing because of the rising crime and the declining number of police officers. Biggest problem I see is the insurance carrier - if they allowed it, you'd have so many restrictions it wouldn't be practical.

      In the old days, we could detain at the scene or in a designated holding area because the police would show up in under an hour and take over the situation. Now, they don't show up at all or take three hours. Where I work, we don't have a holding area, and we don't have the manpower to tie up two guards to watch some handcuffed perp on the sidewalk for hours on end. (Aside from the optics, and interference from Social Justice Warriors.)

      After a certain amount of time, we just escort them to the perimeter and let them go. Every crook in Seattle knows it - which is why they just laugh or smile when we handcuff them. If it isn't a serious assault or felony, they know they'll be free again soon enough...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post
        - So you're mobile patrolling an apartment complex in a bad part of town; fully armed

        - You detain a persistent trespasser or some other criminal to hand over into police custody

        - The police, due to a backlog of calls, take forever to show


        - So here it is:


        - Your patrol vehicle has a partition installed

        - Once you have a subject detained & handcuffed, place them in the back seat

        - Then it's off to deposit them @ the police precinct/station house

        - That way it gets taken care of expeditiously & you can soon return to your duties

        - Only obvious caveat is having to leave your post; but on any mobile patrol you often do anyway (gas fillups, food runs)
        So much wrong.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Soper View Post

          So much wrong.
          Name one thing

          & the lightbulb went off in my head when on post at a building I saw another security company patrolling its garage with a partitioned vehicle; in fact a retired police cruiser as their guard told me

          So I thought it would be good for our industry to at least have such vehicles as a standard or norm

          However I do not believe said company employs the practice I suggested when I ran it by another guard of theirs

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          • #6
            I'm waiting to see how the "defund the police" movement plays out. If private security is going to step in and fill the gaps, the law is going to have to change, and the training and wages are going to have to improve for something like this to work.

            In WA we still have "citizens arrest," but it is highly frowned upon by our progressive liberal judges. You have to have probable cause as an LE officer or a security officer, and you better follow regulations to the letter. In Seattle it wouldn't matter anyways - even if the cops booked the suspect, they'd just release him as you were driving back to the site (or the judge would later).

            Security guards haven't improved for the most part. Wages have gone up, but I don't see any change in quality. (The exception would be in house security and some specialized companies that cater to clients that can afford them.)

            What KC and Soper are getting at is there currently is too much liability and chance for a lawsuit under the legal system and with the kind of S/Os you have running around currently.
            Last edited by Condo Guard; 09-18-2021, 02:58 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

              Name one thing

              & the lightbulb went off in my head when on post at a building I saw another security company patrolling its garage with a partitioned vehicle; in fact a retired police cruiser as their guard told me

              So I thought it would be good for our industry to at least have such vehicles as a standard or norm

              However I do not believe said company employs the practice I suggested when I ran it by another guard of theirs
              You just want to LOOK like a Police, without being one.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Soper View Post

                You just want to LOOK like a Police, without being one.
                Soper, I'm honestly against even wearing a badge unless my employer insists on it

                In consideration of ur comment, I am unable to be a policeman due to my faith (cannot swear an oath to protect a man-made document, which they don't anyway lol - as well as a plethora of other reasons)

                What I do want is for private security to be feared by these dirtbags who keep going "u ain't the poleeese, u can't touch me, u can't do nothing 2 me," & the goddamn observe & report companies are giving them just that satisfaction, even when the state law backs u up 100%

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
                  I'm waiting to see how the "defund the police" movement plays out. If private security is going to step in and fill the gaps, the law is going to have to change, and the training and wages are going to have to improve for something like this to work.

                  In WA we still have "citizens arrest," but it is highly frowned upon by our progressive liberal judges. You have to have probable cause as an LE officer or a security officer, and you better follow regulations to the letter. In Seattle it wouldn't matter anyways - even if the cops booked the suspect, they'd just release him as you were driving back to the site (or the judge would later).

                  Security guards haven't improved for the most part. Wages have gone up, but I don't see any change in quality. (The exception would be in house security and some specialized companies that cater to clients that can afford them.)

                  What KC and Soper are getting at is there currently is too much liability and chance for a lawsuit under the legal system and with the kind of S/Os you have running around currently.
                  All valid points sir

                  But therein lies the stereotype:

                  Few crappy guards & now every guard is a lousy, no-goodnik

                  & the whole "fear of liability" thing puts the criminals in control & has everyone else by the balls (

                  All I can say 2 that on my end is - not on my watch

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

                    Soper, I'm honestly against even wearing a badge unless my employer insists on it

                    In consideration of ur comment, I am unable to be a policeman due to my faith (cannot swear an oath to protect a man-made document, which they don't anyway lol - as well as a plethora of other reasons)

                    What I do want is for private security to be feared by these dirtbags who keep going "u ain't the poleeese, u can't touch me, u can't do nothing 2 me," & the goddamn observe & report companies are giving them just that satisfaction, even when the state law backs u up 100%
                    That’s the attitude that will end up with you dying in a gutter.

                    Interesting that your “faith” allows you to promise to defend private property for personal gain and allows you to carry and use weapons and means to deprive persons of their Constitutional Rights at your whim.

                    What “faith” is that?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Soper View Post

                      That’s the attitude that will end up with you dying in a gutter.

                      Interesting that your “faith” allows you to promise to defend private property for personal gain and allows you to carry and use weapons and means to deprive persons of their Constitutional Rights at your whim.

                      What “faith” is that?
                      I am Muslim, in English - "Submitter" to God's Will by His Grace

                      My faith does indeed allow me to protect private concerns & take actions against those who trespass against them - while not stepping outside the bounds of Sharia (God's Legislations) myself when on duty

                      & since I & they are on private property & myself is not a sworn government agent (cop/deputy/etc.) - alot of said "constitutional rights" are forfeited, to my best understanding

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                      • #12
                        The Constitution (simply put) regulates the government's actions towards the people. Private property owners do have more leeway in certain respects. The gray area is when we (security) start doing things that are the job of the police - using force, detaining people, doing interrogations. The courts have always maintained that people retain certain rights regardless of where they are.

                        I won't say the criminals are in control - but in the last two years they've learned there are no consequences (or very few) as long as you don't do certain felonies. People are fed up, but don't know what to do because government has failed. (The Seattle city council just rejected a budget proposal to try to replace the 300 police officers that have quit or retired - and the council can't figure out why the murder rate is up.) COVID has messed up the system in many ways, but instead of finding solutions, a lot of cities just gave up.

                        If Security is going to fill the gaps, we have to have the support of the people and much clearer laws - or it will fail, and the "Rent-a-Cop" and "Paul Blart" stereotypes will continue...
                        Last edited by Condo Guard; Yesterday, 04:56 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

                          I am Muslim, in English - "Submitter" to God's Will by His Grace

                          My faith does indeed allow me to protect private concerns & take actions against those who trespass against them - while not stepping outside the bounds of Sharia (God's Legislations) myself when on duty

                          & since I & they are on private property & myself is not a sworn government agent (cop/deputy/etc.) - alot of said "constitutional rights" are forfeited, to my best understanding
                          Plenty of Muslims serving in the military and LE. Your reasoning is false. But that’s good as your attitude would swiftly lead to arrest or death.

                          Sharia is NOT the Law of the US, Thank God, and as such, doesn’t play in this game.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Soper View Post

                            Plenty of Muslims serving in the military and LE. Your reasoning is false. But that’s good as your attitude would swiftly lead to arrest or death.

                            Sharia is NOT the Law of the US, Thank God, and as such, doesn’t play in this game.
                            First, why do you so badly wish to see me arrested or dead? Honestly, I'm normally way too careful & diligent anyway to allow these variables to transpire

                            Did have plenty of situations in the past which got physical with the police involved & never did the tables turn against me (one policeman had however scolded me for giving a big thieving lady a nosebleed lol)

                            Secondly, I compromise NOTHING in my religion, which is more than just that but rather a complete, inseparable way of life

                            Many issues with idiot clients & dumbass bosses about me washing, taking ablution & praying while on duty (goddamn dirtbag scum wanted me to put them before God ) but by His Grace the situation is largely ameliorated

                            Those "muslims" killing Believers overseas are hypocrite bastards & those serving in police forces compromise either a part of - or their entire religion
                            Last edited by The Enforcer; Yesterday, 09:27 PM.

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