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  • SF_Security Officer
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    What your business plan is called is a protection racket. Basically stirring up trouble and offering a solution. There is plenty of legitimate clients with security needs to resort to such tactics.

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  • SpecialAgentKC
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    Those exact words are coercive and threatening. Your entire business plan is illegal.
    +1 Wholly concur.

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

    All food for thought 4 the entrepreneur before carrying out such an operation, I suppose

    Statements such as - "man, y'all are a frustrating bunch; bad things happen to people like you/places like this" would be said in a loud, angry voice by the covert operative

    NOT something like - "if I don't get this discount, ur getting ****ed up"
    Those exact words are coercive and threatening. Your entire business plan is illegal.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    Coercion. Terrorism. Threats. RICO. Just a start.
    All food for thought 4 the entrepreneur before carrying out such an operation, I suppose

    Statements such as - "man, y'all are a frustrating bunch; bad things happen to people like you/places like this" would be said in a loud, angry voice by the covert operative

    NOT something like - "if I don't get this discount, ur getting ****ed up"

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

    What would be grounds for a subpoena?
    Coercion. Terrorism. Threats. RICO. Just a start.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post

    You've heard of subpoena power?
    What would be grounds for a subpoena?

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post

    Unless the security company is too loose-lipped about this, the case against them would be weak
    You've heard of subpoena power?

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  • oathkeeper2013
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    I'm anything but a lawyer, however, I'm almost positive that there is SOMETHING about this that's probably against some law or ordinance. Also, if/when the public finds out about this scheme, the negative publicity will leave your company belly up. At a minimum, there's some level of dishonesty with this. I wouldn't do it.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post
    I would report you to your State's licensing division.
    Unless the security company is too loose-lipped about this, the case against them would be weak

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    I would report you to your State's licensing division.

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by The Enforcer View Post
    - About 5 years ago I made a thread that was regrettably deleted(((

    - My proposal was a form of damage control which may serve to enhance security staffing & employment opportunities

    - The nature of the procedure makes it seemingly dishonest however it's anything but

    - So hear me out everybody:

    - You [security company] instruct a person to enter a business premises with a plan to stir up a complaint, like poor customer service for example

    - When the business refuses to accommodate their request, they're to create a verbal disturbance, using veiled threats if appropriate/feasible

    - Do not use real or serious-sounding threats: ex. "I'm gonna kill you!" or "I'll shoot/blow this place up!"

    - Once they order your operative out &/or threaten to call police, they are to vacate immediately

    - Once they are safely off the premises, have your company's sales rep approach them with a security plan in mind to avert such occurrences in the future

    - A more extreme version is to pass a phony note to the bank teller but as somebody mentioned in the previous thread, be very careful as it could entail federal time

    - As such it would be helpful in the above to be in cahoots with the law enforcement in some way

    - These are all actual, real-life occurrences that can happen at anytime: I'm only suggesting taking measures before they happen for real

    - So what do you think team?
    All will result in negative responses. Not a smart business plan.

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  • Condo Guard
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    Just read your local news regularly & look at crime stats for your area - plenty of legit cold call opportunities for businesses that need security without the smarminess. I'm too tired from my last shift to find the term for what you are proposing, but it's like releasing a jar of ants in the play yard of a daycare, then asking the owner if he would like exterminator services.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Let's Discuss This Again...

    - About 5 years ago I made a thread that was regrettably deleted(((

    - My proposal was a form of damage control which may serve to enhance security staffing & employment opportunities

    - The nature of the procedure makes it seemingly dishonest however it's anything but

    - So hear me out everybody:

    - You [security company] instruct a person to enter a business premises with a plan to stir up a complaint, like poor customer service for example

    - When the business refuses to accommodate their request, they're to create a verbal disturbance, using veiled threats if appropriate/feasible

    - Do not use real or serious-sounding threats: ex. "I'm gonna kill you!" or "I'll shoot/blow this place up!"

    - Once they order your operative out &/or threaten to call police, they are to vacate immediately

    - Once they are safely off the premises, have your company's sales rep approach them with a security plan in mind to avert such occurrences in the future

    - A more extreme version is to pass a phony note to the bank teller but as somebody mentioned in the previous thread, be very careful as it could entail federal time

    - As such it would be helpful in the above to be in cahoots with the law enforcement in some way

    - These are all actual, real-life occurrences that can happen at anytime: I'm only suggesting taking measures before they happen for real

    - So what do you think team?

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