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    I was flipping through some channels and came across the show "Cheaters". They claim they have "licensed investigators". What does all this entail? How can they operate in the manner that they do and not be in violation of state laws?

    I have not watched the show, but it seems as if they stir up a lot of trouble.

    What is the deal with the "licensed investigators"?

  • #2
    Originally posted by LPCap
    I was flipping through some channels and came across the show "Cheaters". They claim they have "licensed investigators". What does all this entail? How can they operate in the manner that they do and not be in violation of state laws?

    I have not watched the show, but it seems as if they stir up a lot of trouble.

    What is the deal with the "licensed investigators"?
    If my memory serves, Cheaters only survived one season before getting cancelled. You actually never "see" the "licensed investigators" only the "security" guys that go along to make sure the fights (theres always fights of some sort) don't get out of hand. I am also sure that everyone involved has given permission for their appearence on the show. You have to keep in mind that 99% of TV is purely entertainment.
    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    • #3
      As with anything from Wikipedia, the information may or may not be 100% accurate.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheaters

      I personally never liked the show. Luckily during my time as a PI, I never got involved in the sleazy cheating spouses stuff. I was assigned primarily to insurance fraud (workers comp). When you are billing your time out at $60 p/hr + expenses to the insurance companies, that's where the money is at.

      The host of cheaters was even once stabbed during an episode. You can see the video clip here.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MidamUNy2Bg
      "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LPCap
        I was flipping through some channels and came across the show "Cheaters". They claim they have "licensed investigators". What does all this entail? How can they operate in the manner that they do and not be in violation of state laws?

        I have not watched the show, but it seems as if they stir up a lot of trouble.

        What is the deal with the "licensed investigators"?
        It's pretty apparent that the show is staged, and obviously everyone has signed waivers permitting their appearance on the show. The show routinely plays supposed audiotapes of recorded phone calls. What judge is going to grant a wiretap warrant to a "private investigator" working for a TV show that deals with cheating spouses? Seriously, who believes this kind of stuff?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LPGuy
          What judge is going to grant a wiretap warrant to a "private investigator" working for a TV show that deals with cheating spouses? Seriously, who believes this kind of stuff?
          If they're in a 1 party consent state, I dont believe a warrant is needed as the recorded phone conversation is usually with the client who is likely the one giving consent.
          "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
          "The Curve" 1998

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LPGuy
            It's pretty apparent that the show is staged, and obviously everyone has signed waivers permitting their appearance on the show. The show routinely plays supposed audiotapes of recorded phone calls. What judge is going to grant a wiretap warrant to a "private investigator" working for a TV show that deals with cheating spouses? Seriously, who believes this kind of stuff?
            The stabbing would indicate that at least one show was not staged. The security detail was about to shoot the attacker, too.
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            • #7
              These are kind of like John Burnell's Wild Police Chases. Some of them where staged or special training films. Others were not even police related just traffic cams or suburben incidents caught by locals on thier camcorders. COPS is getting old I guess and most are disturbances or street walkers anymore. I guess these "couples" shows are taking on viewers?
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              • #8
                The show seemed lame and I did not watch it. I just was flipping through and there was a shot of "All investigations performed by licensed Cheaters investigators".

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                • #9
                  LOL @ Cheaters.

                  I was on Cheaters ya know. I was even recognized by a girl at the window of Whataburger. I keep having to tell people "I was on cheaters , but I wasn't the cheater lol.

                  In early 2001 I was on duty at my college (El Centro College is right outside the West End district of Downtown Dallas) when Cheaters showed up. I was working 3p-11p back then, sitting at the information desk in the lobby. I like the info desk because you could see who is coming and going, and it's vacant after 4pm so I commandeered it lol. It was one of those rare times that it snowed down here that night.

                  All of a sudden, 2 Hispanic females came running back through the door. The taller of the 2 females was a student, I knew her because she was a member of the Student Government, didn't know the other one. The ran past me, past the elevators, and into the women's restroom.

                  Before I could get out of the info booth good, a 8 man camera, lights and sound team lead by "Tommy Grand" came running through the same door in pursuit. Blew past me without notice. They stopped at the entrance to the restroom. Grand then told the crew to turn around and the tail end guy smack right into me. I told them to stop, but the rest of them kept crowding in behind the guy I had stopped. They all stopped when I pulled my pepper spray lol. At least I know they could read, I was wearing my dept. jacket that says police on the front, and the guy holding the light was like "oh #$%$^, it's a cop" lol.

                  Grand approached me and said "is there a problem officer?" I told him that he and his crew were at a college, causing a disturbance, and that disturbance had interrupted people taking various tests in our testing center. To his credit he apologized profusely, and I let them go. Little did I know, the cameraman was still recording....

                  6 weeks later my dad calls and says I'm on Cheaters. And I was, for about 7 seconds , they edited the rest out.
                  ---

                  The story went like this. The tall Hispanic girl (#1) was living with her lover (#2 also Hispanic) but cheating on her with the other Hispanic female (#3, the one she ran onto our restroom with). #1 was a student, #2 was a former Student that I knew (I didn't know this until the show aired though, of course), and #3 worked for Bank of America, which is across Lamar Street from El Centro.

                  #2 had actually allowed Cheaters to put video cameras in here home, and those cameras recorded #1 and #3 getting together to ........make a #4 with each other...... on several occasions (lol).

                  They also showed video of them eating together at restaurants in the Downtown Underground area (Bank of America is also an entryway into the Underground).

                  #1 didn't come back to school for about 2 weeks after that. When she did, she couldn't walk two steps before someone asked her about Cheaters. She didn't return for the next semester.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                    The stabbing would indicate that at least one show was not staged. The security detail was about to shoot the attacker, too.
                    While possible, it could have merely been a ratings stunt. Did this guy get admitted to a hospital anywhere with verified stab wounds? Or is that just what they told the viewing public?

                    If it's not yet obvious, I'm extremely skeptical of what I see on TV, especially so-called "reality shows." Cheaters is probably one of the worst I've seen. In the few episodes I've stomached, the situations are so blatantly staged that I can't believe anyone even watches it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LPGuy
                      While possible, it could have merely been a ratings stunt. Did this guy get admitted to a hospital anywhere with verified stab wounds? Or is that just what they told the viewing public?

                      If it's not yet obvious, I'm extremely skeptical of what I see on TV, especially so-called "reality shows." Cheaters is probably one of the worst I've seen. In the few episodes I've stomached, the situations are so blatantly staged that I can't believe anyone even watches it.
                      I once researched this, but I forget, honestly. It was a lark. From what I remember, he was transported by Fire/Rescue (Like F/R is going to send a crew out when they could be handling other calls), and the police were on scene at the boat docks.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LPGuy
                        It's pretty apparent that the show is staged, and obviously everyone has signed waivers permitting their appearance on the show. The show routinely plays supposed audiotapes of recorded phone calls. What judge is going to grant a wiretap warrant to a "private investigator" working for a TV show that deals with cheating spouses? Seriously, who believes this kind of stuff?
                        Anyone can "record" a conversation that is placed from one person to the other. However, you must "state" BEFORE you begin speaking that the line is recorded, otherwise everything that was recorded is no good in any court.

                        However, wiretaps are different than me recording a conversation I have between a GF or friend. You are internally recording conversations between any person that talks on that line. With both parties clueless as to happening.

                        Cheaters just simply puts the phone calls on speakerphone, or uses a digital recorder with the suction cup on the handset.
                        "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BadBoynMD
                          However, you must "state" BEFORE you begin speaking that the line is recorded, otherwise everything that was recorded is no good in any court.
                          That is not always the case. In some states you don't have to advise them they are being recorded.
                          "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BadBoynMD
                            Anyone can "record" a conversation that is placed from one person to the other. However, you must "state" BEFORE you begin speaking that the line is recorded, otherwise everything that was recorded is no good in any court.

                            However, wiretaps are different than me recording a conversation I have between a GF or friend. You are internally recording conversations between any person that talks on that line. With both parties clueless as to happening.

                            Cheaters just simply puts the phone calls on speakerphone, or uses a digital recorder with the suction cup on the handset.

                            ???

                            Cheaters operates in Texas. Texas is a 1 party consent state. There is no duty to inform a person they are being recorded.

                            The only requirement is that 1 party to the conversation know the conversation is being recorded.

                            Where did you hear anything about them using a speaker phone?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Black Caesar
                              ???

                              Cheaters operates in Texas. Texas is a 1 party consent state. There is no duty to inform a person they are being recorded.

                              The only requirement is that 1 party to the conversation know the conversation is being recorded.

                              Where did you hear anything about them using a speaker phone?
                              Most calls from the show are from the spouse that suspects the cheating. They usualy always have them call the cheater to see what they are "doing", and the cameras show them actually doing something completely different. So, obviously they are on speaker I would assume. This is only my theory, I could very well be wrong.

                              There was also another episode of Cheaters where this one guys GF was on the couch sitting on a guys lap that passed out. She then went to a chick and took her in the bedroom.. and they had hidden cameras in the bedroom. and recorded it all. TV is just purely entertainment.
                              "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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