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  • Serial Insane Clown Killer (S.I.C.K.) gang murders dozens across USA.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-a-s...-across-the-us

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, FBI is searching for semi-retarded Muslim boys to groom into "terrorists" so the FBI can....???

    Why is the only actual serial killer group ONLY being investigated by this unfunded private effort???

    But seriously, what would happen if someone started putting this gang's signature graffiti calling card all over places, particularly buildings near likely drowning sites???

    Would it utterly enrage the group, and maybe push them into making a mistake?

    What you do is start putting up the bogus "tags" in a pattern of sorts, enough that the Evil Genius on the other side can predict where you might "strike next" and intercept/confront you. Just have to be careful your guys laying in wait don't become their next victims!

  • Lone Wolf
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    Based on what qualifications and legal authority..? Want to play cop? Get hired as a cop. Right now, you just exemplify the erroneous wave of jumping on the latest tv show, believing it's all truth. You must be SOME guard to have the ability to be so knowledgeable about crime that you alone can solve it. Feel free to call your local PD and tell them what yo do. Better yet, call the local FBI SAC and refer them on here, that way they can figure out that you, and squid know more than they ever will...just because you read it on the Internet.

    Way to go, "Detective"...bravo.

    Now you you understand why you are a bunch of guards.
    The same FBI that claimed the mafia didn’t exist for decades because they weren’t up for the challenge? Yeah, ok buddy.

    If this investigation is the best the pros can do, I can guarantee I couldn’t do any worse.

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by v859 View Post
    The problem with SICK is that it defies criminological theories on both criminal street gangs and serial homicide offenders.

    Not to mention there were several inconsistencies in the article that while not invalidating it open it to questions.

    First the detective refers to SICK alternatively as a gang and as a domestic terror group. Those ARE NOT the same thing and no detective, law enforcement officer or gang expert would refer to one as the other

    Also related to the gang issue, gangs normally kill for a reason related to the operation of the gang and serial killers are generally loners and lone offenders. Even if a group of serial killers banded together in one jurisdiction for some reason what reason would they have to communicate with other cities. It serves no benefit and increases risk of detection

    Secondly, he seems to be playing both sides of the evidence. He gives the fact that the body wasn't damaged enough for being in water for that long and that it would have travelled 10 miles and under a dam as evidence of homicide (suggesting that the body entered from a different location). Yet he uses the smiley face on the bridge as evidence as well. Either the body enters from the bridge and the smiley faces are significant or it didn't and they aren't. Not both.

    IF these are homicides it is just as likely if not more likely that this is either one killer operating nationally, one killer and a few unconnected copycats or people adding the smiley faces after the fact as some type of prank or trying to keep the legend arrive
    main prob is that article is garbage (sorry Condo)

    its like when you know a LITTLE about something, then you read a "professional journalist" and you swear they must randomly hand out these assignments to Co-eds just out of college based on who grants "favors", and they had 2 days to research it but spent that time doing something else.

    but you are right about SICK not fitting any molds, MOs, or profiles.

    There have been a few TV shows about insane pointless murder groups. Pretty good one about an English professor leading one that sucked in members who felt their lives were otherwise pointless. Forgot name but it was pretty good.

    Then that "based on real events" movie "Obsession" about college kid brothers who wanted to commit the "perfect murder" just for kicks, because they felt they were so smart. Seems like most likely match.

    The "Ice Man" guy had to murder someone just as an "audition" and/or so his crime boss would have evidence to hold over him to keep him loyal/quiet. THAT is pretty SOP for OC.
    Last edited by Squid; 01-23-2019, 08:27 PM.

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  • v859
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    The problem with SICK is that it defies criminological theories on both criminal street gangs and serial homicide offenders.

    Not to mention there were several inconsistencies in the article that while not invalidating it open it to questions.

    First the detective refers to SICK alternatively as a gang and as a domestic terror group. Those ARE NOT the same thing and no detective, law enforcement officer or gang expert would refer to one as the other

    Also related to the gang issue, gangs normally kill for a reason related to the operation of the gang and serial killers are generally loners and lone offenders. Even if a group of serial killers banded together in one jurisdiction for some reason what reason would they have to communicate with other cities. It serves no benefit and increases risk of detection

    Secondly, he seems to be playing both sides of the evidence. He gives the fact that the body wasn't damaged enough for being in water for that long and that it would have travelled 10 miles and under a dam as evidence of homicide (suggesting that the body entered from a different location). Yet he uses the smiley face on the bridge as evidence as well. Either the body enters from the bridge and the smiley faces are significant or it didn't and they aren't. Not both.

    IF these are homicides it is just as likely if not more likely that this is either one killer operating nationally, one killer and a few unconnected copycats or people adding the smiley faces after the fact as some type of prank or trying to keep the legend arrive

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  • Lunch Meat
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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
    https://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/...udents-deaths/

    Here's a link to a short article that presents both views of the theory. Warning: language & graphic description of one of the cases that was changed in classification to homicide.
    a few obvious questions missing from that story (not gonna read the Private Eye's whole book).

    Where the RECENT, as in done in time frame that matches placement of body? Where they in an area with lots of other graffiti or "singular"? You might see singular "tags" but singular is odd. might be a common symbol but its not common graffiti in plain stylized form.

    Did ANY of the bodies have normal signs of college man drunk-drowning? (drunk but still able to walk, not incapacitated) I assume this would be stuff like evidence of massive exertion but little to no bruising, water intake to very active lungs, then all that well preserved by sudden "blanche" by cold water.

    As the "Ice Man" said, only people more lazy than a cop is a Coroner. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1491044...9?ref_=vp_pl_1 Dozens of times Coroner's examining his victims overlooked obvious clues out of sheer laziness. It was a minor story for a bit, but as of today NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    Based on what qualifications and legal authority..? Want to play cop? Get hired as a cop. Right now, you just exemplify the erroneous wave of jumping on the latest tv show, believing it's all truth. You must be SOME guard to have the ability to be so knowledgeable about crime that you alone can solve it. Feel free to call your local PD and tell them what yo do. Better yet, call the local FBI SAC and refer them on here, that way they can figure out that you, and squid know more than they ever will...just because you read it on the Internet.

    Way to go, "Detective"...bravo.

    Now you you understand why you are a bunch of guards.
    wanna find a Dunkin Donuts? call a cop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxztcbQlPKU

    wanna crack a double homicide, or rape and murder of little girl? talk to me

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  • Lunch Meat
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post

    Based on what qualifications and legal authority..? Want to play cop? Get hired as a cop. Right now, you just exemplify the erroneous wave of jumping on the latest tv show, believing it's all truth. You must be SOME guard to have the ability to be so knowledgeable about crime that you alone can solve it. Feel free to call your local PD and tell them what yo do. Better yet, call the local FBI SAC and refer them on here, that way they can figure out that you, and squid know more than they ever will...just because you read it on the Internet.

    Way to go, "Detective"...bravo.

    Now you you understand why you are a bunch of guards.
    Saved for reporting

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  • Condo Guard
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    https://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/...udents-deaths/

    Here's a link to a short article that presents both views of the theory. Warning: language & graphic description of one of the cases that was changed in classification to homicide.

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  • Soper
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    Originally posted by Lone Wolf View Post
    And of course the police do nothing. Maybe we the people should investigate this ourselves
    Based on what qualifications and legal authority..? Want to play cop? Get hired as a cop. Right now, you just exemplify the erroneous wave of jumping on the latest tv show, believing it's all truth. You must be SOME guard to have the ability to be so knowledgeable about crime that you alone can solve it. Feel free to call your local PD and tell them what yo do. Better yet, call the local FBI SAC and refer them on here, that way they can figure out that you, and squid know more than they ever will...just because you read it on the Internet.

    Way to go, "Detective"...bravo.

    Now you you understand why you are a bunch of guards.

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  • Condo Guard
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    I agree - there was a book by a father and son on the accident, and they presented some pretty solid evidence that Mary was in an air pocket and might have been saved. I never could believe Ted had such a long career, but the Kennedys are (were) practically royalty in this country.

    I agree on Cobain too - even if the note was pre-written, it was just a bit too staged. And to be kind, SPD probably walked in, said, "Oh, another dead rock star," and that was that.

    The problem with S.I.C.K. is the same with the Hollywood pedophile ring - no one has been charged in a high profile raid, yet there is clear evidence that crimes have been committed. We know the powerful can rig the system, but I agree with the skeptics that after a certain amount of time someone has to get sloppy and spill the beans. On the other hand, the skeptics have a problem - "coincidence" just doesn't cut it when you've got a whole bunch of victims.

    The take away for us is do our jobs, be observant, dot our "i"s and cross our 't"s - because what happens after that is out of our control. As citizens, when there is incompetence or malice there has to be consequences - or we can watch our criminal justice system deteriorate.

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
    For those too young for the reference, Mary Jo was the girl that drowned in Senator Ted Kennedy's car in the late 1960s. Kennedy survived the car accident, but didn't notify anyone until the next morning. There is speculation that if police or fire had been notified in time she might have been saved. The family was either paid off or convinced not to ruin the senator's career, and the parents never spoke to the media after the initial incident. The incident is credited with derailing any future presidential bid.

    The problem with investigations is they have to handled carefully from the start, or the facts become open to interpretation. I'm not convinced that Kurt Cobain committed suicide - but I also know we'll never know, because the Seattle Police made several missteps in the initial investigation, and thus a conspiracy was born.

    While it may be from fiction, I agree with Sherlock Holmes - eliminate all the possibilities, and what you're left with, even if hard to believe, most likely will be the truth. Given the amount of time that has passed, we may never know the truth about these deaths.
    IIRC the position in which they found her body only makes sense if she survived and found the air pocket in the overturned submerged car. Also, the "I'm out of breath" comes from CO2 build up, not lack of O2, and CO2 dissolves in water much better that O2 exchanges OUT of water, so in such an air pocket you will run out of O2 and blackout without warning, thinking you are doing OK breathing.

    Then sometimes the fix is just in and THAT is only possibility where left with, but its pretty easy to believe.

    Recent "New Mexico Muslim School Shooter Training Compound". Case "fell apart" due to "procedural errors". Then "compound" quickly destroyed for no reason by Govt. That would be a little easier to believe if we didn't have a long solid history of FBI grooming "terrorists" and even stretching back to KKK days. There was supposedly an old saying "You can always tell who the FBI agent is at the Klan meeting, he is the one that is trying to get you to bomb someone". Everytime I've been arrested I can tell they are very big on "procedure" and really dot their "I"s and cross the "T"s. A dead baby and Terrorist Gang and cops don't bring their "A game"?

    Lets take another Kennedy Rape Case. William Kennedy Smith's DA's time-line from witness was all screwed up, and that is what blew the case. Its impossible a legit DA walks into court with a bad time line. Time Line is like the tree they hang the rest of the case on. DA might have a witness lie, but at least DA's time-line will make sense in the real world as presented to jury. That was a DA throwing a case. If there is one thing the Kennedy clan could still do after 1969 (with only worthless bums and drunks left alive) would be fix a rape trial.

    I'm pretty sure his wife had Kurt murdered. IMO the most damning was the massive dose found in his system. Doctors say that would drop you before you could position the gun, due to where he was injected and speed of blood to brain from injection point.

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  • Condo Guard
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    For those too young for the reference, Mary Jo was the girl that drowned in Senator Ted Kennedy's car in the late 1960s. Kennedy survived the car accident, but didn't notify anyone until the next morning. There is speculation that if police or fire had been notified in time she might have been saved. The family was either paid off or convinced not to ruin the senator's career, and the parents never spoke to the media after the initial incident. The incident is credited with derailing any future presidential bid.

    The problem with investigations is they have to handled carefully from the start, or the facts become open to interpretation. I'm not convinced that Kurt Cobain committed suicide - but I also know we'll never know, because the Seattle Police made several missteps in the initial investigation, and thus a conspiracy was born.

    While it may be from fiction, I agree with Sherlock Holmes - eliminate all the possibilities, and what you're left with, even if hard to believe, most likely will be the truth. Given the amount of time that has passed, we may never know the truth about these deaths.

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by SgtWinters View Post
    >>Ruben Rosario of the Pioneer Press questions the motives of Kevin Gannon. He states that Gannon has failed to provide any factual evidence that a group of killers exists, and that others, like reporter Kristi Piehl (the original reporter of Gannon and Duarte's theory), and some of the parents of the young men, who were at first encouraged by Gannon, now wonder if he is not actually hurting the families who are trying to get over the loss of a child. One of the parents, Bill Szostak, and Rosario even speculate that Gannon is out for either money or the notoriety and press attention.<<

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley_face_murder_theory
    central fact seems to be these Smiley Faces have turned up near dozens of very similar what are now obviously murders, and Gannon has found a group's website on Dark Web that claims to be the group.

    sir, could you explain what the Catholic bishop COULD'VE said to the parents of Mary Jo Kopechne to convince them to BLOCK an autopsy that would've revealed rape, drugs, violence, booze, etc?

    Lets remember that is ONE set of parents out of DOZENS.

    And what is wrong with Gannon being "out for either money or the notoriety and press attention"? Gannon says he has spent a lot of his own money on this case and gotten nothing back.

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  • Lone Wolf
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    Originally posted by SgtWinters View Post
    >>Ruben Rosario of the Pioneer Press questions the motives of Kevin Gannon. He states that Gannon has failed to provide any factual evidence that a group of killers exists, and that others, like reporter Kristi Piehl (the original reporter of Gannon and Duarte's theory), and some of the parents of the young men, who were at first encouraged by Gannon, now wonder if he is not actually hurting the families who are trying to get over the loss of a child. One of the parents, Bill Szostak, and Rosario even speculate that Gannon is out for either money or the notoriety and press attention.<<

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley_face_murder_theory
    Thank you for proving Squid’s point. You have someone willing to tackle this horrendous crime and he’s being attacked by everyone who wants to avoid some hard truths.

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