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  • Lunch Meat
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    You know not everybody on the other side is an uneducated goat herder. I don't find it the slightest bit implausible that they're using commercially available drones for H&I

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  • Consolewatcher
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    Originally posted by Soper View Post
    You DO realize that there were no actual verified sightings, correct? It was a case of Chicken Little.
    The incident nevertheless demonstrated a critical security failure, and a need for effective anti-drone strategies in some environments.

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  • Soper
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    You DO realize that there were no actual verified sightings, correct? It was a case of Chicken Little.

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
    This is the type of thing where a savvy private security firm could step up and make a difference. I realize the problems involved - you can't shoot it down, too much liability. Jamming the signal has technical issues and you don't want to interfere with legitimate signals at the airport.

    You did hit on an issue - airport managers are used to logistical issues involving travel, not "airport defense" (for lack of a better term). This is something where you might actually consult people who have dealt with the issue (or similar scenarios) and come up with a solution before it happens again. Every technology has a vulnerability - there has to be a solution that would work in a civilian setting.
    store bought drone is gonna have only very specific non-aviation weak radio control system. You can use a store bought walkie talkie or cell at the airport, so you can jam any standard drone.

    also, for more fun, you can deploy a bigger faster tough drone against any pirate drone.

    few diff ways to do THAT.

    1)take out the offending drone with net or simply ram it. remember, "we" are an International Airport so guess who is gonna run out of funds for new drones first. Also...."we" get to recover both drones so ours is likely flying again, while you are "sweating blood" that some of your (or extended family, or "friends" who will rat you out with Scotland Yard comes calling) DNA didn't somehow get left on drone we just captured. Did the wing brush against the sofa where your mom sits??? Did you take it to some Drone Guru for mods, and did you get all his DNA out of under where he electro-taped the wire connections? Hint: you didn't, and he will talk.

    2) most fun and kinda James Bond Have higher grade "Spy Drone" follow your drone at a distance, with agents brought into general area in grid covering Drone Range, then closing in assisted by Spy Drone pics of you recovering your drone.

    3)once Pirate Drone Control is triangulated, send a Spy Drone to take pics of who is controlling. Might be tricky to dispatch agents, but should be easy to send good drone. PS-how to tell which frequency is controlling drone? Just jam for a second and see if pirate drone affected. Do that about 3 times. Yeah, they COULD be switching freqs, but again how many can play at my level?


    PS-Its my belief that the next big war will be the Drone War. It will be as big a diff from prior wars as WW1 and WW2 were from prior wars. It will be like heavy machine guns against cavalierly charges or strategic fire bombing VS cities or Blitz VS trenches. Who will win: Quantity or Quality? Magic 8-ball says "unknown at this time".


    Maybe I'll fill out one of these forms for SFO. It where you can 'pitch' a contract that they admit they don't even know SHOULD exist.
    |San Francisco International Airport (SFO) is a world‐class airport at the front of innovation that serves more than 57 million guests each year. Most of our business alliances and contracts are awarded to companies through a Request for Proposal (RFP) process or competitive bid process; however being at the forefront of innovation means recognizing we don't know it all. Have an idea that could help us serve the needs of our guests and stakeholders? Let us know!


    "Most of our business alliances and contracts are awarded to companies through a Request for Proposal (RFP) process or competitive bid process; however being at the forefront of innovation means recognizing we don't know it all. Have an idea that could help us serve the needs of our guests and stakeholders? Let us know!

    That's where the uPITCH (unsolicited Proposals to Initiate Transformation and CHange) program comes in. Fill out the application and it will get sent to the correct agents here at SFO to review it for a possible partnership."

    yeah, right

    did I mention the Water and Walnut robber barons of Southern CA got their start when awarded a "highly lucrative" Security Contract for LAX, then used that to flood CA with smack?
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  • Condo Guard
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    This is the type of thing where a savvy private security firm could step up and make a difference. I realize the problems involved - you can't shoot it down, too much liability. Jamming the signal has technical issues and you don't want to interfere with legitimate signals at the airport.

    You did hit on an issue - airport managers are used to logistical issues involving travel, not "airport defense" (for lack of a better term). This is something where you might actually consult people who have dealt with the issue (or similar scenarios) and come up with a solution before it happens again. Every technology has a vulnerability - there has to be a solution that would work in a civilian setting.

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  • Squid
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    https://www.rt.com/uk/448324-heathro...artures-drone/
    Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/uk/ga...ntl/index.html

    Looks like a consulting job for Squid. I guess for the first 24 hrs. the authorities did nothing, because apparently they didn't have a plan or response procedure for this. (Maybe Brexit distracted them from safety planning.)
    Drones back at Heathrow Airport.

    Flights were suspended for at least an hour at London's Heathrow, Europe's busiest airport, after a suspected "drone sighting" in the area brought departures to a standstill on Tuesday evening.


    If the authorities REALLY wanted this to end they would've called me by now, but they haven't. So screw'em. Sooner or later it will have to come out just how incompetent they are. I've done construction at SF airport and talked to others at other MAJOR airports and can confirm that typical brass are complete buffoons that just haven't been exposed due to nothing really ever happening.


    All I'd have to do is find a about 3 moderately skilled "fox hunter"(its a radio thing) guys (or gals) and we hang at the airport with gear and wait for someone to report an illegal drone, they locate the transmitter.

    Of course, if they were MY sort of evil genius, they be using a remote "transmitter to a transmitter", but what are chances of finding someone on my level???

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/uk/ga...ntl/index.html

    Looks like a consulting job for Squid. I guess for the first 24 hrs. the authorities did nothing, because apparently they didn't have a plan or response procedure for this. (Maybe Brexit distracted them from safety planning.)
    UK police didn't have "a plan or response procedure for this"? UK "authorities" is like a Monty Python skit.

    You can't make this stuff up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlNAecgJbro

    If I was a casting directer looking for this part I'd say this Chief of Police is over playing it.

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/uk/ga...ntl/index.html

    Looks like a consulting job for Squid. I guess for the first 24 hrs. the authorities did nothing, because apparently they didn't have a plan or response procedure for this. (Maybe Brexit distracted them from safety planning.)
    Sure, I'll take the case. I can give them all the info and direction they need to solve the problem.



    https://www.theguardian.com/notesand...-22440,00.html
    "TV detector vans exist, but they do not detect anything. They are just for show. TVL have a database of addresses in the UK with or without a licence. It is just assumed that anyone without a TV licence is guilty, and so a campaign of harrassment begins by letters and visits to intimidate people into buying a licence."

    I guess gas (sorry "petrol") costs so much Brits can't afford to drive to get harassed so the "Home Office" provides house calls, for Brits to do the same stuff Americans do with our cops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4mwOebOJI

    Sounds kinda proto-Homeland Security. Its literally exactly the same as when Mob goons stop by your newly opened coffee shop and want to sell "Insurance" or membership in the "Neighborhood Safety Association".

    I know LOTS of people (including myself, and including people who COULD share or split a Cable TV bill) who have completely stopped even wanting to watch any TV, now that we have WWW. Prob in England is they are stuck with massive offices full of Govt people whose job is TV licenses.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnq96W9jtuw

    Probably just a fellow amateur wannabe movie maker trying to get a few cool and edgy shots of airliners taking off and landing for his project. When making a movie and plot includes someone taking a flight, you can't just use stock footage or ask airline or airport for some recent footage. When I was working at SFO I heard about how some movie studio was filming. They had to "charter" a whole empty airliner (and block out runway time$$$$) to get a few (boring, nothing else going on) shots of an airliner taking off.

    I'll talk to him if it keeps up. But I bet the shots he is getting are unprecedented. I imagine the idea is to get shot (from higher and closer than a crane) of plane closing then whip around keeping it in picture and get shot of it going away.

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  • Condo Guard
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    The United Kingdom's second-biggest airport has been closed for over 17 hours after drones were seen over the airfield in what police described as a "deliberate act."


    Looks like a consulting job for Squid. I guess for the first 24 hrs. the authorities did nothing, because apparently they didn't have a plan or response procedure for this. (Maybe Brexit distracted them from safety planning.)

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by Consolewatcher View Post
    The US government is really good at fighting wars, and they have the skills, experience and technology to do so quickly and with minimal casualties (if you look at Gulf War 1 and 2, and the invasion of Afghanistan, they defeated the countries' armies with incredible skill.

    The problem that comes after the "war" part is "nation-building" part, where the US tries to protect a country's democratically-elected leaders from various groups that would try to undermine it. That is the part where the US has a lot of difficulty and is not adequately prepared for.

    A classic example is the US spending billions of dollars developing and maintaining stealth equipment for their aircraft, when they're being used against insurgents who don't even have radar systems.
    thats because the people charged with winning the war by defeating the opposing armed force and the "nation builders" charged with taking control of civilian population for some agenda are two diff tribes of US Govt.

    Dick Cheney was mostly right that in Iraq we'd be greeted with flowers. We pretty much were, and there was a lull when all sorts of Iraq "elders" and community leaders and prominent businessmen were saying "Thank you for freeing us from Saddam, but now please leave", but instead State Dept started an occupation that strangled all sorts of basic service creating ill will towards US Forces.

    I remember hearing about default post-victory plan from MILITARY that was to leave population centers as quickly as possible and post up in un-populated badlands until shipped back to USA. Local language skills not a priority.

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  • Consolewatcher
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    The US government is really good at fighting wars, and they have the skills, experience and technology to do so quickly and with minimal casualties (if you look at Gulf War 1 and 2, and the invasion of Afghanistan, they defeated the countries' armies with incredible skill.

    The problem that comes after the "war" part is "nation-building" part, where the US tries to protect a country's democratically-elected leaders from various groups that would try to undermine it. That is the part where the US has a lot of difficulty and is not adequately prepared for.

    A classic example is the US spending billions of dollars developing and maintaining stealth equipment for their aircraft, when they're being used against insurgents who don't even have radar systems.

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  • Squid
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    One of reasons (besides a good place to create US Govt fraud) was Lithium. Back in 2000, when electric cars were just getting started, lots of people thought Lithium would suddenly be a world commodity on par with oil. Turns out most claims of Afghan Lithium are simply lies dating from some Soviet era stooge, and the world has enough Lithium anyways.

    Wanna know the real big Secret to the Atomic Bomb that will get any American physics professor quickly changing the subject???

    In a contest between shielding and detection of "fissionable materials" of the amount and type needed for a A-bomb, shielding wins so bad it ain't funny. Thus, all the fancy "delivery systems" are just bright shiny objects with no real military value. Shielding works so good that in trying to locate shielded "material" you'd end up looking for 'dark spots' of heavy shielding, rather than emissions of the Material itself. Shielding means Lead (Pb) which is also commonly found in large deposits of old paint cans, fishing sinkers, bullets, yacht keels, toy soldiers, and batteries of all sizes. In addition, while getting the Material is a challenge, designing and building The Bomb once you have Material is trivial, AND you don't need to bring the Material together in any one spot until ready for the "event", making it even easier to shield (and move around with less Lead needed.


    https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/flemingi...tml#chapter101
    he gave a wry smile, "it will make Vallance's security job, and mine for the matter of that, just a little bit easier in the future. These politicians can't see that the atomic age has created the most deadly saboteur in the history of the world--the little man with the heavy suitcase."

    Thus, the whole premise of the novel, that a super-villian (or anyone else) would include a complex and fragile large liquid fueled rocket in a plot to hit a city with an A-bomb is just as silly as all the complex and overwrought methods they always use to try to kill James Bond that always fail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQwKe0lggw

    Reminds me when I was lone Security graves at S.P.E.C.T.R.A.-Physics back during Reagan's Star Wars program. Unlike Mr Bond, I still bare scars today from when I just had to see what a high powered laser would do to human flesh.
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  • Condo Guard
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    Afghanistan is a complex situation - it has no intrinsic value to us (i.e. no oil). It's value is geographic, which is why the Russians tried and failed to hold that country.

    Part of the current drug crisis is due to cheap heroin provided by this "ally." But, no president wants to be the one to pull out or start a drug war, let it become a Taliban training camp again, and risk another terrorist attack that their administration would get blamed for. Factor in war profiteering (Haliburton, all the mercenaries that work for State, etc.) and you have Orwell's perpetual war.

    The USAF nuclear forces have had issues since 2007. Part of it was a command restructure, part of it is this is a big, expensive deterrent left over from the Cold War that is needed in some form, but needs an upgrade and probably downsizing. If you're interested, the link below is a from a study that pointed out some of the issues...

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  • Squid
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    USAF Security Force commander not allowed access to his rifle for qualification, throws tantrum, gets fired.

    Yes, this is who is guarding our nuke ICBMs. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...lying-abusive/

    The plotting, dialogue, and performances in Dr. Strangelove are so extraordinary that we may overlook other aspects of filmmaking. Note how camera angles, li...

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  • Squid
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    Originally posted by Lunch Meat View Post

    Lots of money being made off this war. Just sayin'
    even our own propaganda for recruitment etc often shows our troops guarding opium fields.

    when money is being spent on other side of world there isn't any of common sense public oversight you'd get when millions disappear into thin air building schools etc in USA. sure there is waste but if a 30 million dollar gym building is just plain not there parents are gonna notice.

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