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  • anyone notice a change in police policy on arrests?

    Particularly when called by Security and subject IDed?

    During my first stint in security in 1980s I remember a few people getting arrested and that was just for trespassing on corp parking lot if we called cops. We were told not to roust them ourselves, but to call cops.

    Now, I've had cases where dirtbags are throwing bottles at me and janitor and cops are like "oh well". OK, we weren't able to pin-point which of the gang of dirtbags throw the bottle. But other cases where guards have chased down and detained taggers, thieves etc they turn them over to cops and cops have released them on the spot without even a citation. I was sorta Monday Morning Quarterbacking and wondering if policy is to only arrest if someone makes a Citizen's Arrest, and for cops not to remind anyone of the CA factor.

    Also seems a big change that they just don't arrest for stuff they used to, particularly homeless and other street tuffs. I was watching fairly old YouTubes about pickpockets etc in Europe and they said "Americans may be surprised at how the cops in Europe DON'T go after pickpockets etc even when caught red-handed with the same vigor as in USA".

    Do we now have Euro-style "hands off the crooks" policy in USA?

    Oh, and when my car was stolen recently in Oakland, CA, the cops ask me "If we find someone driving it do you want us to arrest them?" I've reported my share of stolen cars and bikes but never had a cop ask THAT. Ain't it sorta like DV where "The State is an Injured Party"?

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    Ever bother to keep current with state law? Your "crimes" are not being processed by the system due to the voters, not the cops.

    No. A stolen car isn't the same as a DV, and DAs usually don't file for theft anymore.

    Why do you persist in cop-bashing, knowing it's not their fault? If you need to whine, whine to your Legislative Representative, not to us.

    Your issue is moot, but you would know that if you kept current or bothered to find things out...which doesn't meet your needs to bitch.

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    • #3
      Sounds like your city has "Seattle Syndrome" - we've basically decriminalized shoplifting and misdeameanor crimes, with other counties following suit. Trespassing does not appear to be illegal anymore unless you did something else while you were there - they just escort them off property, which is something I am perfectly capable of doing.

      Things have changed since the 80s. You have a drug crisis that is overwhelming the social systems, including criminal justice. You have a liberal agenda that has, for example, declared that "people aren't illegal," meaning no one is responsible for their actions as long as they can play the victim card loud and proud. Don't think the criminal class hasn't noticed.

      The car thing is odd, but it may be an insurance thing or a legal loophole. When your car is stolen the insurance company treats it as a "total loss" and writes you a check. If the car is found, you can go get it and you don't have to pay the money back. I'm sure a lot of people don't care once they cash the check. Or it could be a legal thing - you have to actually declare no one has permission to drive it, or some defense lawyer gets little Johnny Joyrider off the hook.

      Soper is right that we have to let our legislators know this isn't OK. The problem is anytime you want the homeless or the druggies to not do something, its impeding on their freedom. But we the voters have to make some hard choices - everybody wants more cops and prisons, but don't you dare raise MY taxes. You can't have it both ways.

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      • #4
        If it makes you feel better, Squid, at least you don't guard the cemetery: https://forward.com/fast-forward/400...d-by-homeless/

        The neighbors and families have spent $50,000 on clean up, and are now suing the city to recover the money. And yes, they're still defecating on the headstones.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post

          Soper is right that we have to let our legislators know this isn't OK. The problem is anytime you want the homeless or the druggies to not do something, its impeding on their freedom. But we the voters have to make some hard choices - everybody wants more cops and prisons, but don't you dare raise MY taxes. You can't have it both ways.
          Have the
          homeless or the druggies camp out on a legislator's front lawn, and see a change of attitude

          CG: Perhaps this reverts back to old New England, but in some smaller communities in Vermont, Maine, Massachusetts. Rhode Island, New Hampshire,
          Connecticut,. the voters get to decide on a what to spend

          New Fire trucks
          New trucks for the highway department
          And yes a police budget
          My town,. and its voters approved
          New Police Station
          More Cops on the streets
          New police cruisers
          Yes Condo Guard my property taxes are higher...$200 more per year, but worth the knowing we have the best for our local police


          http://www.laurel-and-hardy.com/ Greatest Comedy team ever!

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          • #6
            About a dozen years ago we had to have our driveway named because the new 911E system required it for rural homes that have driveways over 600'. Well, ours qualifies but the county hired contractor skipped us so we handled it ourselves.
            So now we have a named driveway, its still a private driveway but carries a name, lets say 1313 Hummingflower Ln, Maintown, State, USA.

            So, the county dot puts up a pole with a sign at the edge of the road & our driveway with Hummingflower Ln on it, its good for a few months. One day we go out & see that one of the signs is sitting against our pole, the other one is gone along with our "game camera" which we use as a security camera.

            So we call the state troopers since we live outside a town limits & dont have a county cop force, troopers handle it. It gets passed to a detective, like usual. We've had incidents before where the local kids have stolen small value items from ours & neighbors property, up to & including smashing mailboxes, so we figured we'd file a report like usual. Especially with it being a county dot sign, we were told by a neighbor that if 3 of them disappear from the same property we would be charged for them & their not cheap, like a $100 per sign.

            Detective calls us back & basically tellls us to F off, they dont deal with thefts under $500. Now I'm fairly sure I know what neighbor kid took it along with our camera so I get on the phone & tell detective stickuphisbutt that they need to go investigate suchnsuch property as I can see it hanging in their garage but I cant step foot on the property myself. He laughs & again says f off, he wont do it. (sigh)

            I ended up getting my local govt district rep involved as I used to work with her so we fair friends, I so wanted to go flip that detective off. We got our sign back, our camera they admitted they destroyed, sd disk gone but no charges would be allowed to be filed against them. (big sigh) Thankfully they were moving out of the area but we ended up getting 2 signs made up & put up with locking nuts. Something I told they county installers they needed to do from the beginning & got laughed at.

            So now they could steal it but they will end up with the whole pole.

            So yeah, I think the cops are being forced into doing a lot more hands off, move them along type of work, if they even do it. With these pansies filing charges for a cop just looking at them crosseyed, its CYA.

            Last nite I was watching a older "Live PD", they pulled over a dude on a scooter cause the cops thought he had done a "pass over"?? I guess what that means in handed off drugs in a drug deal. They pull him over, dude jumps off almost yelling "why you pulling me over, you dont have no right, I didnt do nothing wrong" or similar. Dude was adiment the cops had no right to pull him over, well lets see, they thought you did a drug deal, youre riding a scooter on the road that doesnt belong there (no plate or reg), you have no license on you, no insurance, its your brothers scooter. Hmmm

            And we wonder why cops dont want to get involved anymore? Let alone they could be shot just for wearing a uniform.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SgtWinters View Post
              About a dozen years ago we had to have our driveway named because the new 911E system required it for rural homes that have driveways over 600'. Well, ours qualifies but the county hired contractor skipped us so we handled it ourselves.
              So now we have a named driveway, its still a private driveway but carries a name, lets say 1313 Hummingflower Ln, Maintown, State, USA.

              So, the county dot puts up a pole with a sign at the edge of the road & our driveway with Hummingflower Ln on it, its good for a few months. One day we go out & see that one of the signs is sitting against our pole, the other one is gone along with our "game camera" which we use as a security camera.

              So we call the state troopers since we live outside a town limits & dont have a county cop force, troopers handle it. It gets passed to a detective, like usual. We've had incidents before where the local kids have stolen small value items from ours & neighbors property, up to & including smashing mailboxes, so we figured we'd file a report like usual. Especially with it being a county dot sign, we were told by a neighbor that if 3 of them disappear from the same property we would be charged for them & their not cheap, like a $100 per sign.

              Detective calls us back & basically tellls us to F off, they dont deal with thefts under $500. Now I'm fairly sure I know what neighbor kid took it along with our camera so I get on the phone & tell detective stickuphisbutt that they need to go investigate suchnsuch property as I can see it hanging in their garage but I cant step foot on the property myself. He laughs & again says f off, he wont do it. (sigh)

              I ended up getting my local govt district rep involved as I used to work with her so we fair friends, I so wanted to go flip that detective off. We got our sign back, our camera they admitted they destroyed, sd disk gone but no charges would be allowed to be filed against them. (big sigh) Thankfully they were moving out of the area but we ended up getting 2 signs made up & put up with locking nuts. Something I told they county installers they needed to do from the beginning & got laughed at.

              So now they could steal it but they will end up with the whole pole.

              So yeah, I think the cops are being forced into doing a lot more hands off, move them along type of work, if they even do it. With these pansies filing charges for a cop just looking at them crosseyed, its CYA.

              Last nite I was watching a older "Live PD", they pulled over a dude on a scooter cause the cops thought he had done a "pass over"?? I guess what that means in handed off drugs in a drug deal. They pull him over, dude jumps off almost yelling "why you pulling me over, you dont have no right, I didnt do nothing wrong" or similar. Dude was adiment the cops had no right to pull him over, well lets see, they thought you did a drug deal, youre riding a scooter on the road that doesnt belong there (no plate or reg), you have no license on you, no insurance, its your brothers scooter. Hmmm

              And we wonder why cops dont want to get involved anymore? Let alone they could be shot just for wearing a uniform.
              damn, I'd tell you to take pics and sue in small claims for about $5K, but you'd probably get arrested for "criminal invasion of privacy".

              The State forces you to get a sign, and replace it when it gets stolen, but wont lift a finger against the guy who is displaying it semi-public.

              https://www.google.com/search?source....0.2pDPnXvnjG4

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