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    r thoughtshttp://www.filecabi.net/video/profiling-sec.html

    the security officer was trying to apprehend a shoplifter.

    your thoughts?
    Last edited by bigdog; 02-21-2007, 03:20 AM.
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  • #2
    file a lawsuit with that police department, this makes security look bad as a whole.

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    • #3
      If she identified herself as a Police Officer he is in the wrong and should have backed off. Personally if it was me, I wouldn't have gone as far as to get in the vehicle with the badguy. Not for a carton of smokes.
      "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
      "The Curve" 1998

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BHR Lawson
        If she identified herself as a Police Officer he is in the wrong and should have backed off.
        Even if she didn't identify herself and was just in uniform and holding a weapon and pointing it at him he should have known to back off.

        While I wasn't there and I don't know for sure, Race could be an issue. The officer could have "seen black guy struggling with white guy" and assumed Carjacking.

        I know we don't like to think about that, but it's reality. When I was in the academy, one of our instructors took us (all the black cadets) aside and lectured us on this. Right or wrong, the perception is a black guy taking actions (with a gun or not) is gonna illicit a reaction from responding officers, and we have to be prepared for that and know how to react.

        One of the "ways to react" is always follow the instructions of the responding police officer no matter what (unless it's totally unsafe to do so). Another way is to practice the "chant" ie "I'm police, I'm police, I'm police" (substitute for security if that's what you do of course).

        This S/O failed in that aspect and got Tased for it.

        Personally if it was me, I wouldn't have gone as far as to get in the vehicle with the badguy. Not for a carton of smokes.
        Me neither. Not worth it at all, especially when the fool is stupid enough to drive a vehicle to a crime lol. I would have gotten the license numbers and let it alone. It the theif had a weapon, that S/O would be screwed.

        Kansas really needs a better method of licensing security. As far as I know, Secuirty is licensed on the city level, not the state, and training requirement s are next to non-existant.

        ~~~

        I'll bet the female officer was rather inexperianced as well, as evidenced by the fact that she let the white guy get in the car and drive off. Till you know FOR SURE what's going on, everyone is a suspect (and thus subject to immediate control for the duration of the incident) and no one is at liberty to leave, period.

        I beleive the S/O was partially in the wrong for going to the extent he did (and maybe for not backing off when ordered), but he could make a heck of a civil case in this matter.
        Last edited by Black Caesar; 02-21-2007, 04:32 AM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Black Caesar
          Even if she didn't identify herself and was just in uniform and holding a weapon and pointing it at him he should have known to back off.
          I think it is very likely he got tunnel vision (as most of us do Im sure) and was completely focused on his task-at-hand (apprehending the driver). When in such a situation as he found himself in, wrestling with a suspect and being inside the suspect's car, it is very likely he wasn't looking around to see the officer. With all the stories I hear of trained professionals getting tunnel vision and not noticing a second suspect, or a backup officer, etc... this convenience store security guard probably didnt notice the police officer arrive. This is why I think it would be imperative for her to make a verbal presence, rather than just a visual presence. Obviously, even if she did make a verbal presence (which she very well may have, and I would assume, probably did) he may have even been so focused as to not hear her. If that was the case, and I was the officer, I wouldn't sit around like, "Hey, stop that you..." or asking the clerk, "What's going on? Is that a security guard?" Nope, I probably would have popped him with the TASER also, then called the second person out of the car.
          "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
          "The Curve" 1998

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          • #6
            With some people who become so concentrated on what they are doing, the world could come to an end and they would be the last person to know. Then there is the subject of conditioned response by the police officer. It is a fact, changing albeit slowly.
            Enjoy the day,
            Bill

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            • #7
              Well at least it was the taser and not a .40. As mentioned by BC I bet inexperience on the police officers part played a role in this.

              In this video the officer actually pops off a round.

              http://www.whoomp.com/m/5177.html

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              • #8
                She still works there, from what I have been told...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T202
                  Well at least it was the taser and not a .40. As mentioned by BC I bet inexperience on the police officers part played a role in this.

                  In this video the officer actually pops off a round.

                  http://www.whoomp.com/m/5177.html
                  With that female officer, it was the opposite, entrenched experiance rather than lack of it. It's not been very long since people started to be trained in the fine art of "keep your damn finger off the trigger".

                  When you work in an agency with lots of older officers (many still with there trusty wheelguns lol), you see it all the time at the range, and retraining them (to keep that finger on the trigger guard unless you are going tof ire) is a chore and a half.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Black Caesar
                    With that female officer, it was the opposite, entrenched experiance rather than lack of it. It's not been very long since people started to be trained in the fine art of "keep your damn finger off the trigger".

                    When you work in an agency with lots of older officers (many still with there trusty wheelguns lol), you see it all the time at the range, and retraining them (to keep that finger on the trigger guard unless you are going tof ire) is a chore and a half.


                    AwRite BC. Heres one you and I don't see eye to eye on. First of all I see not one thing wrong with prefering to use my .38 Special that has served me well for about forty years. I've "had to pull it" three times and it worked just fine. And I've heard all the "more bullets" stories. (My theory is 'the more you have the more you waste'. As near Pensacola a few years back where something like 400 rounds were expended and perhaps three hit the intended target?)

                    And I don't see many folks at the range with thier fingers on the trigger when not ready to fire, "especialy OLDER GUYS and GALS".

                    Nope. Ain't buyin' it. Are you trolling?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T202
                      Well at least it was the taser and not a .40. As mentioned by BC I bet inexperience on the police officers part played a role in this.

                      In this video the officer actually pops off a round.

                      http://www.whoomp.com/m/5177.html
                      A good example of why you should keep your finger indexed until you're ready to fire...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mh892


                        AwRite BC. Heres one you and I don't see eye to eye on. First of all I see not one thing wrong with prefering to use my .38 Special that has served me well for about forty years. I've "had to pull it" three times and it worked just fine. And I've heard all the "more bullets" stories. (My theory is 'the more you have the more you waste'. As near Pensacola a few years back where something like 400 rounds were expended and perhaps three hit the intended target?)

                        And I don't see many folks at the range with thier fingers on the trigger when not ready to fire, "especialy OLDER GUYS and GALS".

                        Nope. Ain't buyin' it. Are you trolling?
                        Nothing wrong with a wheel gun, I own a taurus model 17 snub nose that I sometimes carry off duty (mainly in the summer time, when it's not feasable to carry my Beretta). I prefer shooting my father's S&W 686 (.357) to anything else we take to the range.

                        But I wouldn't carry one as my primary duty weapon. I don't believe in Spray and Pray (I like my freedom), but higher capacity means you can deal with a wider range of threats. If I need more than 6 shots to drop something I'm in trouble, but I'd rather have the options a semi-auto gives that a wheel gun just can't.

                        As for the rest, I act as range master for my department and am a Firearms instructor. The issues I've dealt with with older shooters weren't very severe (the older shooters are better shots, and better "static posistion" shooters"), but that finger on the trigger thing is the main one. Younger shooters don't have the same problem with that since they are trained from the get go to keep that finger off and are better at move and shoot, but younger shooters have a tendancy to "spam" lots of shots (and thus are worse overall shooters than the older guys).

                        Being Campus police most of our people are from other agencies (we only take a few every year that come straight out of an academy), so we spend ALOT of time "un-training" people from the way they used to do things..
                        ~Black Caesar~
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                        • #13
                          Quote BC
                          As for the rest, I act as range master for my department and am a Firearms instructor. The issues I've dealt with with older shooters weren't very severe (the older shooters are better shots, and better "static posistion" shooters"), but that finger on the trigger thing is the main one. End Quote

                          That is very true and part of it is the reason I use Glocks. Glock Mod 22 + 23 used by most PDs because the only safety is integrated into the trigger. The safety is nothing more than another trigger requiring a few more pounds of pull.
                          I suggest that lady cop that fired inadvertently was using a Glock and I hope will have better luck at home baking cookies where she belongs.
                          THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR A 911 CALL IS FOUR MINUTES
                          THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR A .357 MAGNUM ROUND IS 1400 FEET PER SECOND?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Black Caesar
                            Nothing wrong with a wheel gun, I own a taurus model 17 snub nose that I sometimes carry off duty (mainly in the summer time, when it's not feasable to carry my Beretta). I prefer shooting my father's S&W 686 (.357) to anything else we take to the range.

                            But I wouldn't carry one as my primary duty weapon. I don't believe in Spray and Pray (I like my freedom), but higher capacity means you can deal with a wider range of threats. If I need more than 6 shots to drop something I'm in trouble, but I'd rather have the options a semi-auto gives that a wheel gun just can't.

                            As for the rest, I act as range master for my department and am a Firearms instructor. The issues I've dealt with with older shooters weren't very severe (the older shooters are better shots, and better "static posistion" shooters"), but that finger on the trigger thing is the main one. Younger shooters don't have the same problem with that since they are trained from the get go to keep that finger off and are better at move and shoot, but younger shooters have a tendancy to "spam" lots of shots (and thus are worse overall shooters than the older guys).

                            Being Campus police most of our people are from other agencies (we only take a few every year that come straight out of an academy), so we spend ALOT of time "un-training" people from the way they used to do things..
                            O.K. Apology accepted.

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                            • #15
                              Just got back here and saw the video. I would think that yes anyone seeing a person struggling with another person who is obviously the driver would make the jump that the driver was being attacked, and not arested.

                              A uniform for the s/o would've made all the difference in the world. Even one of those silly black T-shirts with SECURITY stamped on it in white bod letters front and back.

                              Verbally communicating, that he was security as others have chimed in are also correct.

                              Interesting, here in Oregon, that crime would've been Robbery (a felony), what criminal level would it be in your state?
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