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  • #16
    I'm leaning towards agreeing with David again. I am not a Police Officer, I do not want to be a Police Officer, I see the 2 professions being somewhat similar but different enough that there should be 2 forums. One for Police, one for Security. I have never read Officer.com because I am not a Police Officer. I'm surprised that a Police Officer would post here.
    I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
    Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by HotelSecurity
      I'm leaning towards agreeing with David again. I am not a Police Officer, I do not want to be a Police Officer, I see the 2 professions being somewhat similar but different enough that there should be 2 forums. One for Police, one for Security. I have never read Officer.com because I am not a Police Officer. I'm surprised that a Police Officer would post here.
      I actually somewhat agree with that too. The problem is his attitude towards law enforcement, and people in general.
      "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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      • #18
        As long as the two fields mirror eachother there will always be a need to effectively communicate with eachother.

        Is there not?

        If we don't work together we are forced to continuosly work against eachother. Which only creates more anti-police and anti-security resentment.

        Does security replace police? Nope, it merely supplements it. (I don't care what some say to their clients.) Does the police replace security? Again, no. There is and always be a need for one and the other.

        This argument of why are they here, is strikingly familiar with why can't police and security work together? Simple, as long as there is a us against them, or the sentiment that cops don't belong here we only add fuelto the fire of security receiving the short end of the stick.

        I say let them come here all they want, after all they need to know how we work and feel on a lot issues that they may have never thought of before. It would create an opportunity for a fair and honest dialogue, as long as we put out a little Marchetti disclaimer that they would have to read before joining.

        Point is, why are we bitching and moaning about the cops looking down on us and treating us like [email protected] when we throw little fits when a few join up? Kinda adds fuel to their fire don't ya think???

        LOL, Isn't making statements like "this is OUR website, police have no business being here kinda like LITTLE CHILDREN hanging signs on their bedroom doors saying; NO GIRLS ALLOWED ??

        If your not a part of the solution, your a part of the problem...
        ~Super Ninja Sniper~
        Corbier's Commandos

        Nemo me impune lacessit

        Grammical and Spelling errors may occur form time to time. Yoov bin worned

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        • #19
          Originally posted by HotelSecurity
          I'm leaning towards agreeing with David again. I am not a Police Officer, I do not want to be a Police Officer, I see the 2 professions being somewhat similar but different enough that there should be 2 forums. One for Police, one for Security. I have never read Officer.com because I am not a Police Officer. I'm surprised that a Police Officer would post here.
          I do check out officer.com from time to time and I find the free webcasts and other self intiated training materials of great value. I modify some of it to fit my needs, e.g. I don't do traffic stops, but I do approach the vehicle in a similar fashion, etc. etc.

          They have the means to proivde good training for us to utlize to stay alive. For example, anyone here ever take a Tactical Communications Course aka verbal judo? Descalation Techiniques? Anything to better yourself, your image, your company?

          If it's free, the only investment you need to make is your time.
          ~Super Ninja Sniper~
          Corbier's Commandos

          Nemo me impune lacessit

          Grammical and Spelling errors may occur form time to time. Yoov bin worned

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          • #20
            There are plenty of private security people posting onn O.com, heck a huge percentage of posters aren't police or security at all.

            Some of you can expouse "Forum Aparthied" (term copywrited 2007 by Black Caesar, you too can use it, but I want my royalties) all you want. i think that's every bit as dumb and elitist as what a few at O.com think.

            [u]But[/i], until the people running the place say "private security guards only" those of us who are LEOs of some kind (present former or retired) and/or public/government security are here to stay.

            Get used to it.

            Y'all HAVE to see the irony and hypocricy of believing that police and security should work together better (and wanting public and private safety to get the same respect from the people and from each other) but then saying you don't want police posting on a forum that's open to the public because "it's supposed to be for security" ........

            Just when I thought I'd seen everything lol.
            ~Black Caesar~
            Corbier's Commandos

            " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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            • #21
              Forgive me Security Officers for I have sinned. I visited O.com on more than one occasion, and learned something... (pretty good for having never confessed, huh?)

              No really, still being wet-behind-the ears, I have gotten a lot of good safety info off there!

              I think there's people who take this forum idea a little more as a brotherhood than I do. To me it's about 50% information sharing, 47% conversation, and 3% watching the battling rivalries.

              I feel we should expand our Brotherhood to all who can share or receive and end Forum Apartheid (copywrited 2007, Black Caesar)!

              (Checks in the mail B.C.)

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              • #22
                (Checks in the mail B.C.)
                Just as long as it's not monopoly money, i'm so tired of that, because that's what my employer pays me with Too!
                ~Black Caesar~
                Corbier's Commandos

                " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bill Warnock
                  David you do not know whereof you speak. When these officers kill themselves, most have faced mental overload.
                  The mindset of a police officer can and is daunting.
                  Enjoy the day,
                  Bill
                  The tragic thing about this is that they were probably very conscientious and empathetic police officers, the kind we need more of. My uncle was a MP and then a Dayton, OH police officer. He was the type that took the job (its problems, etc.) home with him. It took a toll on him and he finally resigned and worked security for many years.
                  Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Black Caesar
                    There are plenty of private security people posting onn O.com, heck a huge percentage of posters aren't police or security at all.

                    Some of you can expouse "Forum Aparthied" (term copywrited 2007 by Black Caesar, you too can use it, but I want my royalties) all you want. i think that's every bit as dumb and elitist as what a few at O.com think.

                    [u]But[/i], until the people running the place say "private security guards only" those of us who are LEOs of some kind (present former or retired) and/or public/government security are here to stay.

                    Get used to it.

                    Y'all HAVE to see the irony and hypocricy of believing that police and security should work together better (and wanting public and private safety to get the same respect from the people and from each other) but then saying you don't want police posting on a forum that's open to the public because "it's supposed to be for security" ........

                    Just when I thought I'd seen everything lol.
                    Do you not sort of see it as a Doctor posting on a Paramedic site? That's how I see it.
                    I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                    Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                      Do you not sort of see it as a Doctor posting on a Paramedic site? That's how I see it.
                      Can Doctors not bring valuable insight and opinions to a Paramedic site?

                      Also, how often do you see a Doctor retire and take a job as a Paramedic?
                      Last edited by davis002; 02-06-2007, 06:11 PM.
                      "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                        Do you not sort of see it as a Doctor posting on a Paramedic site? That's how I see it.
                        Not quite. I see it more as a dentist posting on a podiatry website. There's nothing "wrong" with it per se that I can see, and there might be information of value exchanged in the process (for instance, both kinds of healthcare providers might use the same antibiotic or the same type of local anesthetic for their procedures, and have something useful to say to one another about that subject). However, they are still very different domains of "healthcare", just like the public and private police are very different domains of the "protective services". Other domains in the "protective services" include private investigators, fraud examiners, executive protection specialists, emergency managers, alarm technicians, etc. Any of these might, for some reason, "cross over" into one of the other domains with something useful to say, so we should welcome all contributions wherever they come from.
                        Last edited by SecTrainer; 02-06-2007, 06:33 PM.
                        "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

                        "I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous

                        "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

                        "History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ValleyOne
                          ....
                          Does security replace police? Nope, it merely supplements it. (I don't care what some say to their clients.) Does the police replace security? Again, no. There is and always be a need for one and the other.....
                          That about sums it up. The only thing that I'll add is that this forum treats LE better than O.com treats security, IMO. (At least until recently )
                          Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                            Do you not sort of see it as a Doctor posting on a Paramedic site? That's how I see it.
                            I'm a Campus police officer. How is my job terribly differant from yours?
                            ~Black Caesar~
                            Corbier's Commandos

                            " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                            • #29
                              POST DISCLAIMER: The following post MAY or MAY NOT apply to the specific person reading it. It is merely a generalization...

                              How can you occupy a similar occupation and still get your feathers all ruffled up over cops coming here? Could it be that this is the one place where you might feel youhave the absolute authority and can finally tell that cop to go to hell. Regardless of that cop is the one that may have been harassing you?

                              This thread is getting pathietic, and I credit Marchetti-again-for being the troll that he is and stirring up the damn pot that has got us all taking shots at eachother.

                              SIMPLE SOLUTION: Don't wanna read a post from a cop then don't read it. I TRY very hard to do the same with stuf Marchetti.
                              ~Super Ninja Sniper~
                              Corbier's Commandos

                              Nemo me impune lacessit

                              Grammical and Spelling errors may occur form time to time. Yoov bin worned

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by davis002
                                Also, how often do you see a Doctor retire and take a job as a Paramedic?
                                Not often but how often do you see a Doctor retire in his early 40's? Police, at least here can retire on full pension after 20 years of service. They start at around 20, do the math! A lot of Doctors work until they are forced to retire & can no longer do other work,
                                I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                                Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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