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  • #91
    Originally posted by SoCal Public Safety View Post
    Not exactly what I was talking about, but point taken...


    I imagine most security officers don't look anymore like a "hardcore team of crime fighters" than these guys...
    That's just silly. They are fixing computers ... not implying that they are performing security or police functions. Under your theory, halloween costumes with badges would need a special permit ... not to mention the NYC Dept of Sanitation workers who also have badges.

    The reason why security is regulated so heavily in many places in regards to uniforms and badges is because of bad decisions made by security employees, wherein they overstep their authority or imply that they are the police. If there is a rash of Geek Squad members out implying that they are the police, then you might also see some of those regulations that would also apply to them.
    Last edited by mjw064; 11-30-2008, 10:38 PM.
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    • #92
      C.H.P. came down on these guys and had them paint the doors of their cars which were white.
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      • #93
        Yes they did cite them in 2005.
        now they are (should be) black body and white roof, No white doors.

        http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2005...lls_over_.html

        Some of out of state news wrote as "CHP gave them ticket because Geekmobile look like too much to CHP squad car"
        I think It's a just state police enforced state vehicle code. that's all.
        local police won't but CHP enforce funeral escort's Red flashing light too.

        And I found this.
        Geek badge for $475 !!
        well, nobody buy my badge for over $400
        http://www.newbegin.com/html/misc__item_detail_14.html
        Last edited by Limo LA; 12-01-2008, 03:42 AM.
        Not many but few chauffeurs are armed to protect clients.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Limo LA View Post
          And I found this.
          Geek badge for $475 !!
          well, nobody buy my badge for over $400
          http://www.newbegin.com/html/misc__item_detail_14.html
          That badge is a generic $35 badge that you can buy custom imprinted from almost any badge distributor ... all you'd need is the Geek Squad emblem in the middle (which you could certainly obtain for less than $400) and you have the badge. That badge is probably a fake anyway.
          Washington DC

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          • #95
            Originally posted by davis002 View Post
            If someone mistakes a black & white VW beetle driven by someone who appears to be a geeky jehovah's witness with a badge, then that person deserves to be hit in the head with a tack hammer because they are stupid.

            Look at the photo... do any of you honestly see a hardcore team of crime fighters?
            I dunno.. seen some sites with guards here and there that run along these lines.
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            -Being bagger at Publix has more respect these days

            -It's just a job kid deal with it

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Echos13 View Post
              I dunno.. seen some sites with guards here and there that run along these lines.
              +1 lol, my point exactly.

              I wasn't saying Geek Squad is trying to present themselves as Security or LE. I just don't see any reason they need to wear a badge, especially when there is the potential for confusion.
              "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" -Matthew 5:9

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              • #97
                http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...ead.php?t=5852

                End of thread
                "I am not a hero. I am a silent guardian, a watchful protector"

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                • #98
                  FireEMSPolice has provided a link for International warning light laws

                  This thread is supposed to be about "approved lights."
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                  Contributor to Retail Crime, Security and Loss Prevention: An Encyclopedic Reference

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post
                    FireEMSPolice has provided a link for International warning light laws

                    This thread is supposed to be about "approved lights."
                    Sorry Curtis, I guess we got a little off-topic. My bad.
                    "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" -Matthew 5:9

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                    • Concur....
                      My views, opinions and statements are my own. They are not of my company, affiliates or coworkers.

                      -Being bagger at Publix has more respect these days

                      -It's just a job kid deal with it

                      -The industry needs to do one of two things; stop fiddling with the thin line and go forward or go back to that way it was. A flashlight in one hand and your set of keys in the other

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                      • In Washington state it is my understanding you can have any light with a clear lens installed in any vehicle as long as you do not use it. If you use the light on any area that is not private property and use red and white together or red and blue together it is illegal. If you use red and blue together on private property and attempt to stop someone it is impersonating an LEO.

                        The wrench in here that doesn't make any sense to me is that only state agencies can use all blue. (I.E. State Patrol, State Park Rangers) It is funny because all the stateys vehicles are Red/blue front and red/blue/white to the back and sides so why the restriction when they don't use it any ways?

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                        • Originally posted by Swifty View Post
                          In Washington state it is my understanding you can have any light with a clear lens installed in any vehicle as long as you do not use it. If you use the light on any area that is not private property and use red and white together or red and blue together it is illegal. If you use red and blue together on private property and attempt to stop someone it is impersonating an LEO.

                          The wrench in here that doesn't make any sense to me is that only state agencies can use all blue. (I.E. State Patrol, State Park Rangers) It is funny because all the stateys vehicles are Red/blue front and red/blue/white to the back and sides so why the restriction when they don't use it any ways?
                          No flame here but RCW 46.37 states that clear shall not be used to the rear. It also states that all emergency vehicles shall have a red light visible 360 degrees from 500 feet.

                          HOWEVER - the law also designates the state patrol as the final abiter of what is approved. This means if the state patrol says its OK, then it can be used. Hence the use of taillight flashers, clear lights in lightbars, corner strobes, etc. The whole "red light" rule has pretty much been ignored.

                          There is no law stating that blue is only for state agencies. It does restrict it to law enforcement use only. Private security is restricted by that and what they can use on public roadways. You may have red lights facing front on private property, but the minute you activate them on a public roadway you are in violation. Typically the "rule of thumb" used by most LEO's is clear/amber is OK, red to the rear is OK, using them while the vehicle is in motion is questionable (off private property), using them to "run code" is prohibited. THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE! YMMV!
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                          • To add: In Washington State, authorized emergency vehicles are required to have the red lamp. Law enforcement vehicles are exempted from this requirement. Blue lamps can be used in conjunction or in lieu of the red lamps. The specifics fall under WAC 204-21-130 (below). That rule also regulates flashing amber lamps for a laundry list of uses, which incidently, does not include security specifically....

                            Non-governmental/non-sworn security personnel may use red lamps only under the permission of State Patrol through an Authorized Emergency Vehicle Permit (of the Boeing ilk)...it's covered under Chapter 204-36 WAC.*

                            http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=204-21-130

                            * http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=204-36

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