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  • Black Caesar
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    Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
    Look all I will say is this, a retired Lt. in the department has been arrested on a felony for stealing from his own men, commanding officers have been accused by P.O.'s of being drunk on the job, inmates have yelled for help as someone died in a cell and their calls were ignored, they will lie, make thinks up, submit applications for arrest warrants with perjured documents, at least one has been arrested twice for domestic abuse with the wife, and then again in a common street brawl, everything was reduced to a ticket. one was recorded in a hit and run by his own department video, they will " loose " evidence that can be used by defendants, lie in police reports, deal narcotics and act to protect drug dealers from arrest and proscution, one got nailed for telling a out of state criminal suspect how to avoid arrest by police in their area. Accused of beating suspects, this is a bad department. Just in the news this broke in the State of Connecticut:

    Southbury, Connecticutª- A former state trooper finds himself on the other side of the law accused of threatening a state marshal. Tonight that ex-trooper is talking. Dennis Henderson says he did nothing wrong and that someone has a personal vendetta against him.

    Videotape From Camera Catches Madison Connecticut Police Officer Joseph R. Gambardella Stealing From Business NEW HAVEN, CONNECTICUT – One night in October, a police officer in Madison, a small coastal Connecticut town, called in to dispatchers, telling them that he noticed a door to a restaurant had been left ajar. Not to worry, he said, he would check it out.In went the officer, Joseph R. Gambardella, though he did not use the usual protocol to search for an intruder, like reaching for his weapon or calling for backup, according to a state police officer who investigated the matter. Rather, Officer Gambardella, toting a large trash bag, went right for the freezer.Officer Gambardella rummaged through a few plastic tubs, according to the state police officer’s affidavit, removing a few packages of lobster meat.And out he went, closing the door behind him.

    Bridgeport Connecticut Police Officer Douglas Bepko, Arrested For Assaulting His Girlfriend, Faces Added Charge After Violation Of Protective Order
    Thursday, December 21st, 2006 BRIDGEPORT, CONNECTICUTª— Police Officer Douglas Bepko, facing firing in the alleged assault on his girlfriend Nov. 3, is being charged with another violation of department policy.After the assault arrest, Bepko was arrested a second time and charged with violating a protective order, sparking the latest departmental charge from Police Chief Bryan T. Norwood.

    Settlement Against City And Disgraced Bridgeport Connecticut Police Officer Jason Altiero In Sight For Beating Woman While Another Officer, Jorge Laregui, Did Nothing To Protect Her Wednesday, December 20th, 2006 BRIDGEPORT, CONNECTICUT -ªA woman who claimed she was assaulted in 2002 by a since-fired city police officer while his partner looked on could receive a $40,000 settlement from the city.City Attorney Mark Anastasi has asked the City Council to approve a deal with Dolores Fonseca and her family, according to a proposal forwarded Monday to the Miscellaneous Matters Committee.

    Hartford Connecticut Police Officer Franco Sanzo Convicted, Sentenced To Special Probation In Evidence Tampering Case Thursday, December 14th, 2006 HARTFORD, CONNECTICUT – A Hartford police detective arrested days after his retirement in 2004 on charges of falsifying an arrest warrant has been granted a special form of probation that could lead to his arrest record being expunged.The retired officer, Sgt. Franco Sanzo, was granted accelerated rehabilitation by Hartford Superior Court Judge Thomas P. Miano on Wednesday.

    Connecticut State Police Allegations No Surprise, Considering Years Of Inaction In Investigating Bad Cops Monday, December 11th, 2006 HARTFORD, CONNECTICUT – Given the sad record of Connecticut government for most of the past decade, last week’s report on state police failures to properly investigate wrongdoing by its officers shouldn’t have come as a surprise. All the same, the independent study by New York State Police experts made for ugly reading. There were allegations of a state police officer running a “protection racket” for drug dealers, and troopers competing to see who could rack up the most drunken driving arrests, regardless of whether the arrests were legitimate. Other officers were accused of sexual assault, of using shotguns to intimidate civilians that irritated them, of associating with drug dealers and prostitutes, of faking overtime and stealing state property. The most disturbing finding was that senior officers repeatedly interfered with, manipulated or ignored internal affairs investigations. According to state Public Safety Commissioner Leonard C. Boyle, the state police had fallen into a dangerous habit of trying to handle such charges “informally.” Although the report makes clear that Boyle himself wasn’t blameless, he gets lots of credit for agreeing to push for an independent investigation of the crippled internal affairs system. There was also no doubt, given the cases cited in the report, that the department’s problems pre-dated Boyle’s arrival.

    Now if your police don't operate like this then good for you, count your blessings. But here in Connecticut it's a diffrent life all together. These types of Police Officers I will have no respect for nor should you.

    ROFL, atleast you're true to type, Marchetti. There are atleast what, 15,000 or so police officers (not counting Feds) in Connecticut, but like someone who is a part of some anarchist cop watching group or something, you offer up some articles about a few officers.

    And then you wonder why the people and the lawmakers won't give you more "power" (and if you need more reasons, please refer to your 5th grade level "commentary" as additional proof).

    I've known people like you my entire career (public and private). You're convinced that you know whats what, but don't know how foolish you sound when you talk about your many "arrests" and other heroic actions. Oh, and the trumpet blowing about public safety being "younger" than private security will surely make you friends among the people how could actually make thing better for people in private security, you know the people who write the laws....

    In other words, everything you've posted here is a classic example of the pot insulting the kettle. But please, continue your anti-cop Jihad instead of looking in the mirror at your true enemy.....

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by mike booth
    From a career in Corrections, to Law Enforcement to Security, I've found the percentage of good, bad and indifferent co-workers to be pretty consistant. Bad Security probably just has less impact on the public good. What's the worst you can do? Sleep on the job? Pencil whip logs? Smoke on a non smoking post? You pulling anyone over? Selling protection? Stealing evidence? In Security?

    For what it's worth, seems to me even bad staff, public and private sector can be held to a higher standard in personal dealings, if you know how to stake out the moral high ground. If you are having too much trouble, too often, maybe you are doing something wrong!
    Mike, with due respect, I find that your post trivializes and betrays an apparently staggering ignorance concerning the role of the private police in our society, particularly in protecting the nation's critical infrastructure, which is 85% privately owned and protected. Also, the private officer polices most of the quasi-public space, such as malls, government buildings, museums, sports complexes, businesses, factories, etc. Private security protects people where they work, where they learn, and where they live and play. The public agencies do not, for the most part, police these domains and certainly do not prevent crime from occurring within them, except in the most peripheral sense. I say this as someone who has both training, work experience and education with respect to both sides of the "thin blue line", as it were.

    Bad security, contrary to your assertion, has an enormous impact on the public's well-being, who spend most of their time in PRIVATE space, not in public space. So, I must say that your question, "What's the worst you can do?", followed by the trivial "answers" that you give, is one of the most unreflective posts I have had the misfortune of reading on this board. It might even be possible to make the case that bad security has a much greater impact than bad law enforcement. In fact, most writers on the subject of quality in security and law enforcement will agree that private agencies are much more sensitive to quality metrics than public agencies have been.

    What's the worst you can get from "bad security"? Well, let's start with a successful attack on our nuclear power facilities, a mall (recent incident), or a power grid. How about the assassination of important public and quasi-public figures, the theft of critical industrial and defense secrets, an unmanaged leak at a chemical plant, or many more incidents of workplace violence than we do see? How about the fact that almost all fraud, commercial theft and most of the cybercrime in this country is privately investigated? After we deal with these "little" matters - all of which translate directly to the quality of life in our society - we can work our way down to the inane, and frankly insulting, examples that you give. I wonder why you think that the private security industry is projected to be a $130 billion industry in 2010...just a bunch of people who are smart enough to run $billion industries, wasting their money to hire donut-dunkin', log-pencil-whippin' idiots, I guess. Someone should wise them up!

    Actually, someone should wise you up. Private policing is, and always has been, at least as critical to the life of this nation as the public police, and probably more so. You have a very great deal to learn and this board was the last place I ever thought I would see a post like this.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 01-15-2007, 06:35 PM.

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  • mike booth
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    From a career in Corrections, to Law Enforcement to Security, I've found the percentage of good, bad and indifferent co-workers to be pretty consistant. Bad Security probably just has less impact on the public good. What's the worst you can do? Sleep on the job? Pencil whip logs? Smoke on a non smoking post? You pulling anyone over? Selling protection? Stealing evidence? In Security?

    For what it's worth, seems to me even bad staff, public and private sector can be held to a higher standard in personal dealings, if you know how to stake out the moral high ground. If you are having too much trouble, too often, maybe you are doing something wrong!

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
    A lot less than cops
    That's a pretty big claim there. Do you have anything to support this? Irreguardless of idiot police officers, background checks do weed out the felon at initial hiring in police work. Unlike security, where the states half-ass their background checks or leave it to the company to perform, who finds that way too much money and just calls the local Sheriff.

    Multi-national corporations have lost federal contracts protecting our military facilities because they gave federal protective services jobs to felons, and it took the military to detect this.

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  • GCMC Security
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    Yup and security officers are perfect and don't commit any crimes

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  • Charger
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    Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
    Ummmm cus some of them are just ___________________ ( fill in the blank ), they are Public Servants, not gods, not people to worship, they are schmucks just like me and you doing our jobs. Only difference is many NOT ALL have God complexes, are ego maniacs, and rather pompous as they feel they are entitled to special considerations as they are special being thje fearless protectors of our society. They are not plain and simple and their right to protect people and property is not exclusionary by any means as they are OUR little baby brother, I think it takes a lot of balls and ego mentality to think they are so special and exclusionary. And sad to say many in our society for various reasons place them on pedestal to a point that it supports their mentality. Shrugs.
    I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.

    In my years in this business, I've met MANY cops, from many different jurisdictions & departments. In that time, I can think of ONE Officer that I had any real problems with. After they had responded on a few of my calls, and seen that I'm not a 'retard,' as you put it, their attitude changed and they have been just as cooperative & friendly as all of the other Officers I've known.

    Obviously, I can't speak for the Officers in your area, as I've never been there. I do think, however, that you're never going to find that level of cooperation & respect if you allow this blanketed 'all cops suck' attitude you have to continue.

    I don't want to wax all religious in here, but it comes back to the golden rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated. I've seen it firsthand with other SOs I've worked with. If you treat the cops poorly, then guess what? They're going to give you the same treatment right back. Sure there may be some egotistical cops out there in the world, but going back through my memories, the number of ego-maniacal security guards I've met is MUCH higher. So it DOES go both ways.

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  • Mr. Security
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    I don't think that David hates ALL cops. In fact, he explained earlier that he has some family and friends that are in LE. That having been said, we all need to remember that the police are worthy of respect because they are the secular authorities. Just because WE feel that someone in authority is unworthy of respect doesn't give us the right to be disrespectful to that individual, be it a parent, teacher, security guard, LEO, judge, etc.

    People that refuse to acknowledge authority are bound to suffer the consequences. David, you expect those under your authority to respect you, whether it's an employee or civilian on property you patrol. Similarly, the police expect you to show respect for the office that they hold, regardless of how you may view them individually.

    Using profanity to describe some police officers is simply not right. Why can't you see that?

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  • grussem
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    David, it seems to me you just hate all cops. As a police officer I have come into contact with good and bad security guards. I have also come into contact with good and bad cops. If you're looking for something you will almost certainly find it. I can drive around town in my squad car looking for a ****ty security guard and I'll find one. I am sure if you're looking for something negative in a police officer when they contact you you'll most certainly find it.

    Your posts seem very hate filled towards LEO's, almost as if you have some sort of chip on your shoulder. I don't know if an officer pissed in your wheaties one day or not. If so, you need to get over it cause they've done it to me too. This type of attitude does not help with the impression LEO's have of your industry. Fortunately, I know better. I know that there are some professional security guards and the bad ones give them all a bad name.

    You need to be less abrasive and try to "reach out" a little more.

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  • Black Caesar
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    Originally posted by T202
    This is part of an article written by David A Smith a couple of years ago. It is reference training and licenses for security officers in Ct.

    "Participants should come out of this class with a solid understanding of what they can and cannot do under the law -- and most of it covers thing they cannot do," he said. "There are no special laws for security officers. Their job is to observe and report. In most instances, they're not allowed to even stop an individual, let alone frisk them or put them in handcuffs."

    This is the full article.

    http://www.jrrobertssecurity.com/sec...e-news0036.htm
    That's a damn good article.

    And it illustrates the right way to go, where as Marchetti's commentary shows the wrong way.

    The right way to go is in increments, small steps that lead to "the proper conclusion" actually existing before you call attention to it.

    What I mean is this: The Private Security Industry "self-polices" itself, raising standards without need of state mandates or new laws, attracting more professional people to the industry, and making private security a more lucrative option for Public saftey workers.

    (side note: right now, Private security is one of the VERY few private sector industries where the workers make less than their public counter-parts. For example, attorneys. Public Defenders and prosecutors and Judges can and most times DO make less money than attorney's in private practice. Same with the military, you can leave the service and go "merc" with some companies like Blackwater and make more money. Only in a very few cases can a rank and file public saftey officer leave public saftey to go private, and make more money.)

    After all that is done, THEN you can go to the lawmakers and say "hey, in this very dangerous world we live in, you already have a large group of well trained private professionals ready to do their part, how about some Statutory support so we can do that?".

    But in a State like Connecticut where the laws about private security have been almost pre-historic right up till last year it seems, where "Security Guard" is automatically a bad word, and where you've had some overzealous people in private security making everyone look bad, asking for more power right now is counter-productive. Mainly because it reinforces the "loser wannabe/needs an ego boost" image private security already has.

    Fix the industry from the inside 1st, then apporach Connecticut lawmakers about making things better for all.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    The postage system is functioning at capacity as it is. I get my mail later than ever. We have seen the cost for postage increase considerably over the last ten years. The principle behind tracking mail is sound, but this method is not feasible. Furthermore, I don't want my DL information with my DOB and address floating around for identity thieves. Some states use the SS number for a DL. GA did; not sure if that's current.

    Terrorist planners could easily defeat such a system by obtaining false ID or having low ranking members who are willing to sacrifice everything (9/11) do the mailing for them.
    Don't look at me, I just found that information in a relevant search, to see how much a simple google would bring up on him.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Say what??

    The postage system is functioning at capacity as it is. I get my mail later than ever. We have seen the cost for postage increase considerably over the last ten years. The principle behind tracking mail is sound, but this method is not feasible. Furthermore, I don't want my DL information with my DOB and address floating around for identity thieves. Some states use the SS number for a DL. GA did; not sure if that's current.

    Terrorist planners could easily defeat such a system by obtaining false ID or having low ranking members who are willing to sacrifice everything (9/11) do the mailing for them.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Absolutely not. I’m also afraid that his relationship with LE is strained. His best bet is to work with the police officers that he does respect and try to gain credibility with those who are in a position to change the restrictions that are affecting his company. Diplomacy is essential for any success. For some, this is difficult and it may be wise to hire a PR person to work with the powers that be. Name calling and angry remarks just make matters worse.
    Mr. Marchetti has already been in the media, it seems. His plans to have our name, identification number, and photo ID applied to every bit of mail under federal law from 2002 got him a newspaper story.

    Article about Marchetti and ID Postage

    I'm not sure a PR person could help, a spokesman, maybe. After all, this is what people remember in his region when they see "Force-1 Security," the guy who wanted to do away with post boxes and make you go to the fire department to send mail, which will bear your Name, DL, and photo ID.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by T202
    This is part of an article written by David A Smith a couple of years ago. It is reference training and licenses for security officers in Ct.

    "Participants should come out of this class with a solid understanding of what they can and cannot do under the law -- and most of it covers thing they cannot do," he said. "There are no special laws for security officers. Their job is to observe and report. In most instances, they're not allowed to even stop an individual, let alone frisk them or put them in handcuffs."

    This is the full article.

    http://www.jrrobertssecurity.com/sec...e-news0036.htm
    The article is interesting, but not entirely accurate. For example, security can handcuff individuals. This is commonly done in LP and at malls when observing an offender committing a felony. In addition, 8 hours is hardly sufficient for a "solid understanding" of applicable laws. The test is very basic. If it were more difficult, many security guards would have a difficult time passing it. Security companies know that and you can bet that they fought hard to keep it simple. Otherwise, they would have to pay some of us what we are really worth.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    I don't think he has good relations with his police department.

    Mr. Security, do you feel that you have more power than a private citizen? You're in CT, is any of what he's been saying resonating with you?
    Its sad that I can point out flaws in his logic, and all he can do is mount ad hominem attacks against me, and anyone else who dares question that he is not "better" than a private citizen.
    Absolutely not. I’m also afraid that his relationship with LE is strained. His best bet is to work with the police officers that he does respect and try to gain credibility with those who are in a position to change the restrictions that are affecting his company. Diplomacy is essential for any success. For some, this is difficult and it may be wise to hire a PR person to work with the powers that be. Name calling and angry remarks just make matters worse.

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  • T202
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    This is part of an article written by David A Smith a couple of years ago. It is reference training and licenses for security officers in Ct.

    "Participants should come out of this class with a solid understanding of what they can and cannot do under the law -- and most of it covers thing they cannot do," he said. "There are no special laws for security officers. Their job is to observe and report. In most instances, they're not allowed to even stop an individual, let alone frisk them or put them in handcuffs."

    This is the full article.

    http://www.jrrobertssecurity.com/sec...e-news0036.htm

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