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    Does The State of Connecticut Endanger The Lives of State Licensed Security Officers Through Poor Legislation And Lack Of Job Knowledge, Maybe.......
    Last edited by Marchetti, David, M; 01-22-2007, 04:15 AM.

  • #2
    Two points:

    1. "perhaps that explains why according to O.S.H.A. line of duty deaths for Security Officers exceed line of duty deaths for Police Officers"

    Please provide source for this. If you're quoting the IFPO document on "Security Agents have higher on-duty homicides than Police Officers," please be advised that several organizations have tried to reproduce those results, and have failed. I myself tried to figure it out, and in 2004, LEOs had a higher on duty homicide rate than private security & gaming agents.

    2. Did you send this article as posted to this forum? Before sending anything to the media, the legislature, or anything that may gain public exposure, it is always a good idea to have a professional copywriter look over it, make adjustments and edits, then read it again. I'm not as careful with my forum posts in spelling and grammar as I should be (I consider this informal), but when sending something to a legislator or media outlet, I have it proofed by no less than four people prior to sending.

    Other than that, I'm afraid I can poke holes in this commentary all day.
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #3
      Actually, you posted this on a public forum. Which puts every reader in a position to read, digest, and judge the article written. The questions about "filing lawsuits" and the rest have no bearing on the merits of your article.

      Please show us where, in statute, it states you are to apprehend law violators. I see only "observe" and "prevent" violations of law codified in statute.

      Further, where in statute does it grant licensees state authority, as you stated it does? Security personnel may apprehend or arrest as private citizens, but this is not state authority.

      Some states, like Tennessee actually codify one of the duties of a "protective services licensee" to include enforcement of local, county, and state law. Even then, they are not acting under state authority, merely in the interest of the state, still as private citizens.

      When security personnel are acting under specific state authority, they becomre more than private citizens, they become a form of law or rule enforcement. We generally call them peace officers.

      FASCO of Florida is currently petitioning for Green and Amber lights for licensed security personnel. Not because they hold some "state authority," but because it will allow EMS and LE to quickly locate security vehicles during the next hurricane season amid the wash of amber lights.

      There are very specific rules on what colors security may use in Florida (Amber only), and when they may run them (private property, public streets or throughways running through private property.)

      Also... You're operating your light bars on private property. Is there a specificl law that prevents the mere posession of an amber light bar? You're on private property, in most states, the motor vehicle code does not apply.
      Some Kind of Commando Leader

      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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      • #4
        I think you are right on point David.

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        • #5
          Oh yeah...I too have had a County Deputy pull a gun on me...while I was in full uniform and with the blue lights of my patrol car on.

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          • #6
            David... i respect your opinion. being in the Contract field for over 25 years i can appreciate alot of what you have said... But you seem to be very bitter towards LEO"S As in any line of work there are good and bad. Also as far as arresting powers.. I work corporate security so our role is to Observe and report. it is what it is... I happen to respect most LEO"S yes there are some jackass cops... But my dealings with police have for the most part been problem free.

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            • #7
              So...did you interview yourself for this article? It is very poorly written.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by grussem
                So...did you interview yourself for this article? It is very poorly written.
                It also demonstrates that in Connecticut, private security is "observe," "detect," or "prevent," not apprehend or enforce. So, why would someone need any color of light bar other than amber, or police authority?
                Some Kind of Commando Leader

                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                • #9
                  Sorry to say it, but I have to agree with grussem.

                  It's confusing for one thing. it says "By David M. Marchetti" then says "n speaking with David M. Marchetti of the Force-1 Security Agency, Incorporated".... WTF, did you write it David, or were you interviewed for it?

                  It's full of run-on sentences for one thing. It's rambling and unfocused for another. And the tone is "confrontational", which is no way about going to get people in authority to listen to you.

                  When I read it I thought "man, someone in the Connecticut Legislature is having a good laugh right now". This is not good for furthering the cause.

                  Here in Texas private security is taken seriously (for example, SOs are incldued in our "Assault of a Public Servant" statutue), if you want that to happen in your state, you HAVE to avoid giving the wrong impression. This "commentary" gives the wrong impression.
                  ~Black Caesar~
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Black Caesar
                    Sorry to say it, but I have to agree with grussem.

                    It's confusing for one thing. it says "By David M. Marchetti" then says "n speaking with David M. Marchetti of the Force-1 Security Agency, Incorporated".... WTF, did you write it David, or were you interviewed for it?

                    It's full of run-on sentences for one thing. It's rambling and unfocused for another. And the tone is "confrontational", which is no way about going to get people in authority to listen to you.

                    When I read it I thought "man, someone in the Connecticut Legislature is having a good laugh right now". This is not good for furthering the cause.

                    Here in Texas private security is taken seriously (for example, SOs are incldued in our "Assault of a Public Servant" statutue), if you want that to happen in your state, you HAVE to avoid giving the wrong impression. This "commentary" gives the wrong impression.
                    This is what I was referring to. Impression is everything. You're asking a senator to possibly risk his career to sponsor this bill. How would he "risk his career?" Media gets wind of what he's sponsoring, makes a case out of it.

                    Private police/security is big in the news now. People associate authority with Bush, and believe its some kind of neo-con plot. Take into consideration how people treat campus police, specials, etc. People flip when you ask to create MORE types of folks who can control them.

                    When you go asking your senators for things, you need a rock solid base. When someone notes that "David Marchetti" is after this bill, and Google's him... They're going to find rants about how the police are evil and corrupt and anything else that he's posted.

                    That's fuel for opponents to use against the bill, against the senator, and against Marchetti himself.
                    Some Kind of Commando Leader

                    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                      Does The State of Connecticut Endanger The Lives of State Licensed Security Officers Through Poor Legislation And Lack Of Job Knowledge, Maybe....... By David M. Marchetti

                      The State of Connecticut defines a Security Officer as the Licensed and Registered person hired to safeguard and protect persons and property, by (A) the detection or prevention of any unlawful intrusion or entry, larceny, vandalism, abuse, arson or trespass on property such security officer is hired to protect, or (B) the prevention, observation, or detection of any unauthorized activity on property the security officer was hired to protect.
                      [url=http://www.ct.gov/dps/lib/dps/special_licensing_and_firearms/public_act%2004-192.pdf]Public Act 04-192, Conn. General Statutes

                      Code:
                      (6) "Security officer" means the licensed and registered person hired to safeguard and protect persons and property, by (A) the detection or prevention of any unlawful intrusion or entry, larceny, vandalism, abuse, arson or trespass on property such security officer is hired to protect, or (B) the prevention, observation, or detection of any unauthorized activity on property the security officer was hired to protect. Such security officer may be (i) employed by a security service, or (ii) employed by a business and is a uniformed employee who performs security work on the premises of the employer's business when such premises are located in an area that is accessible and unrestricted to the public, or has access only by paid admission;
                      As noted above, the security officer has been hired to safeguard and protect persons and property by "detection or prevention" or the "prevention, observation, or detection" of statute or rule. Nowhere in this definition does it mention arresting, enforcing, or otherwise confronting anyone. Keep this in mind later on.

                      Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                      Such security officer may be (i) employed by a security service, or (ii) employed by a business and is a uniformed employee who performs security work on the premises of the employer’s business when such premises are located in an area that is accessible and unrestricted to the public, or has access only by paid admission;
                      Now we come to an interesting point...

                      Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                      ...in reality it translates to apprehending people committing Larceny, Criminal Trespass, Unlawful Dumping, Assault, and other more serious criminal offenses. At times we may deal with armed suspects, step in between a couple fighting to a point it becomes assault in order to protect a third party, our job can be inherently dangerous, but more so if your doing retail loss prevention or motorized patrol work.
                      According to the state statute above, none of this above is required by the state. This is something that the company takes upon itself to do. This "apprehending people," stepping in between fighting parties, etc... It is something the individual licensed companies decide to do. The state's opinion as promulgated in Public Act 04-192 is that security officers are to detect and observe.

                      Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                      At times it can get crazy and almost insane behind the badge of security, T.J. Maxx a store detective moves in to apprehend a female larceny suspect when he’s greeted with a razor blade slid across his face, at Home Depot loss prevention people attempt to move in on a larceny suspect and are stopped dead in their tracks when a suspect pulls hand handgun and they are looking down the business end of a barrel, a Security Officer on routine patrol approaches a suspicious vehicle behind a building and is faced with the operator pulling a firearm. At the Danbury Fair Mall a Security Officer is intentionally struck and injured when he’s hit by the motor vehicle of a larceny suspect.
                      This is the job everywhere, and few states have authorized contract security personnel additional powers beyond merchant's privilege. Merchant's privilege allows these "larceny suspects" to be arrested in most states by any agent of the store. That the agent happens to be a contracted security officer is irrelevant.

                      Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                      It’s a dangerous job, done by unarmed officers, and often with no back up assistance, and often in desolated locations. It’s not a profession for the weak of heart nor cowardly, perhaps that explains why according to O.S.H.A. line of duty deaths for Security Officers exceed line of duty deaths for Police Officers, our industries baby brother nation wide.
                      I want a citation for this. I have heard this bandied about by IFPO, yet the results have been disproved time and time again.

                      (Continued)
                      Some Kind of Commando Leader

                      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                        In speaking with David M. Marchetti of the Force-1 Security Agency, Incorporated., a twenty year field veteran of the profession he states, The hours kind of suck, the money is not the best, but to do this type of work you have to have a love of the job. About two months ago I was on routine patrol duty of clients properties when I went behind a building and found a suspicious vehicle, following standard operational procedure I pulled in behind the vehicle, I reported the suspect vehicles license plate, and proceeded to make an approach, when I saw the driver reach behind his back and take something out. I had no doubt the suspect pulled a firearm. Walking towards the vehicle I followed procedure and placed the door jam of the vehicle between myself and the suspect driver so I was not in a clean line of sight. The moment the guy saw my badge he stated " Oh you scared me ". Given the situation and condition it is understandable, but it’s a fatality waiting to happen Marchetti states.
                        Mr. Marchetti is doing these approaches in, as he noted, an unmarked Dodge Neon. This is just another vehicle coming up, turning its high beams on, and someone getting out. Ill intent or not, this is not the sign of lawful authority coming up to you. This is a dodge neon.

                        Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                        You have to put yourself in the place of both Security Officer and Driver Marchetti states, first of all the Security Officer is just doing his job investigating why someone is trespassing on private property, how many occupants are involved, is anyone out side of the vehicle, is it a couple having a fight, some people using narcotics, or someone breaking into the building, you just don’t know. Some might say " Call the police " you can’t when you approach over 100+ vehicles a year, slow police response, and the potential of a commission of a crime. The driver has gone out for the night, consumed a few drinks, and looks for an isolated location to make out with his girlfriend. All of a sudden he finds himself blocked in by another vehicle who’s blinding him with his head lights, that would scare anyone within reason. The problem is Marchetti states even if you have decals on your vehicle the driver can not see the sides of your car as your behind him and he’s blinded by your high beams.
                        Again, we have a vehicle pulling up and activating its high beams. Where is the spot light? If its on private property, where is the amber light bar with the spot light, something most people realize "is the vehicle of a security guard?"

                        Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                        Marchetti states it’s his understanding that on several occasions legislation has been proposed in Hartford to allow Security Officers the ability to use Purple Lights while on duty, but each time the bill has failed to pass legislative channels. Under current state laws Security can use Yellow flashing lights on vehicles with a permit, then again so can Garbage Trucks, Tow Trucks, News Paper Delivery Vehicles, and Snow Plows. Marchetti states " Is this what they ( Law Makers ) think of us as a profession as we go about protecting other peoples property and lives, their position in all honestly stinks ". I respond to a clients parking lot where some idiot has pulled a box cutter and is trying to slash people with it, I disarm the suspect and arrest him, and I can’t get a flashing light bar on my car that identifies me as being someone acting in an official capacity under state law?. Marchetti states he finds it insulting to say the least.
                        But Mr. Marchetti is not, at any time, acting in an official capacity under state law. He is a private citizen in a regulated industry, much like a doctor or a carpenter. His arrest is made under private arrest statutes, his light bar is amber as he is a private industry much like any other, and his response goes beyond observe and report only because his company provides that service.

                        A private citizen helping other private citizens without "official authority." If the state wanted to give Mr. Marchetti special authority, they would of made him a special policeman, or the municipalities he works in would of made him a special constable.

                        PA 04-194 specifically prohibits those with police powers from performing security duties, which further illustrates this point.

                        Under state laws we may carry a handgun legally with a blue card, we may keep a long barreled weapon loaded in our vehicles ( shotguns ), we can carry a nightstick, we may wear a badge, make lawful arrests under the common laws of the state, use reasonable physical force to make such arrests,
                        There is no mandate in PA 04-192 that security company licensees are require to protect people and property. The act is only a registration act, it creates no legal duty. Any legal duty created is contractual in nature, and dependent on the state's case law.

                        ...we are mandated by law to protect people and property, but we can not get a light bar on a patrol car so we can be identified and not get shot accidentally while on duty, or use the light bar so responding police called for back assistance can find us faster.
                        An amber light bar is allowed with permit, on public and private property...

                        Marchetti states " I know Police Officers who would not do our jobs, and I’d love to see some legislators and other elected officials come out into the field and try our job on for size, and I don’t mean sitting at a desk checking identification badges of employees ".
                        This IS part of the job of security. What Marchetti is talking about is something different, something that the police already do: The enforcement of laws (Why else are you arresting people), and the protection of persons and property.

                        The State of Connecticut needs to pass serious legislation governing security as many of it’s laws are half baked tending to lead any professional to wonder if state legislators are getting really bad advise or just have a lack of knowledge of our profession.
                        I actually agree with this. But not from the, "Give us police powers, we already are sworn by the state to do this and that, etc..." Marchetti is a private citizen, just like me, just like the rest of us.

                        Marchetti states let us use Purple Flashing Lights, Purple and White, Blue and Purple, Blue, Purple, and White, something that identifies us clearly to the trespassing public.
                        In other words, give us police car lights. Blue and Purple? Blue?

                        Marchetti states as an example of how bad the laws are look at the state statute that makes it a Felony to assault a Police Officer, Fireman, Emergency Room Nurse, Paramedic or Doctor, they have even considered it making it a Felony to assault a kids coach, but it’s only a Misdemeanor if you assault a identifiable Security Officer in Connecticut, well Marchetti states who do you think is protecting the emergency room doctors and nurses - Security. Who do they call when a problem arises, Security, so why is it State Licensed Security Officers are not included in C.G.S. Sec. 53a-167c. Assault of public safety or emergency medical personnel.
                        Bitching about not having police car lights and claiming to have official authority is not the way to bring changes like these about. Florida has Battery on a Security Officer, who is a private citizen without police powers.

                        The fact that you make arrests is based on what your company wants you to do, any citizen including the soccer mom can make arrests.

                        The fact that the state mandates contract private security and only contract wear square badges of a very specific design may show what's going on here.

                        One of the reasons that bills never pass is because people get on their high horse about how "private security has official authority" or "we are like the police."

                        I've watched multiple bills become law in Florida. And none of these bills stated that security officers were anything more than private citizens. What they did state was that private security officers are important to homeland security, even as "just" private citizens.

                        Many states give citizens broad powers much like the police. There is no need for "police" powers in states where private arrest is permissible. After all, you can already make arrests "as a police officer may" in most codified states.

                        Hell, in Tennessee, you don't even have to call the police, just take your prisoner to a magistrate.

                        Connecticut already has a broad infrastructure of special police, Constables and "Special Policeman." Why would the state create more? What they can create, though, is a strengthened private security force of citizens.

                        Realize why they made it so you can only have a square badge before asking for such things as blue lights.

                        ... And if you think I tore this apart, wait till someone with an axe to grind with private security and the "increase of threats to our liberty from these private rent-a-cops" who happens to be a journalist or "blogger" gets a hold of it.
                        Some Kind of Commando Leader

                        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                        • #13
                          I have to agree 100%. Remember Marchetti, no one here intends to bash you for your commentary. Although it could of used a little more thought IMHO. Regardless, it is evident from your views that the police/security relationship in your area is "abrasive". Also, it is clear that what you truly desire is change. From the sounds of it, contract security regulation in your state is perhaps a little behind in the times when compared to other states. If what you truly desire is change, then you need to start a positive dialogue with your state senator or representative. If you plead your case, and they agree with you, it's them who can make the changes. Best of luck!
                          "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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                          • #14
                            Are In-House people governed by the same laws in Conn. We bought a hotel in Hartford about 2 years ago.
                            I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                            Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                              Are In-House people governed by the same laws in Conn. We bought a hotel in Hartford about 2 years ago.
                              Sorta...

                              "(ii) employed by a business and is a uniformed employee who performs security work on the premises of the employer's business when such premises are located in an area that is accessible and unrestricted to the public, or has access only by paid admission;"

                              So, yes, for them, if they're uniformed. If not, then no.
                              Some Kind of Commando Leader

                              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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