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  • Why can Police and Private Security work together without Problems?

    So here it is I am a Cpl. with a Private Security company that Patrols Apartment Complex's all over the Salt lake Valley. We work very closely with the local police agencies in the areas, and they work very well with us. But one particular Agency has One officer that just like to push his so called police powers around, For instants Just the other night I was completing a patrol on one of my Properties, and I came across a Police vehicle blacked out and oh about 50 yards from my Vehicle so I blacked out and pulled to the side. Yeah to assist if need be. But to more find out what is going on and to gather a case number for property Management. Another officer pulled in behind him they went into an apartment which mind you was a Medical call not police. So me and another officer that was with me at the time stood outside and around the corner from the Apartment that the police went in to. Fire and Medic showed up and did there thing, they left and then minutes later the police came out of the apartment and just out of normal human nature we said Hi and asked what was going on, and this one officer in question said Can I ask you guys not to pull on the property when we are responding to because if someone gets Tapered it will be our fault. So basically they are saying that as proprietary Officers for the property we cannot be on are own property. They also would not give us a disposition and gave us a hard time in getting the case number. So tell me what kind of crap is that we are out on the street doing the same thing they are but just on private property. There is no difference we to put are life on the line to protect the residence of are properties.
    Cpl. Z. Anderton
    Armed Private Security Officer

  • #2
    Actually I have seen this even between city-county, county-state police.
    It happens. I know it gets irritating and is a PITB but you have to deal with it.
    Call their supervisors for the info and explain why you are calling them.

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    • #3
      I had a police officer do this to me once. "You don't need to know anything, not even a case number." He then went into a unit, and I just returned to patrol. His sergeant pulled up, and grabbed me, then told me to tag along. After I told him why I did not want to (that I was ordered away from the apartment under threat of arrest), the sergeant then told me that I'm accompanying him as he needs additional manpower, and because I was security and I should know what goes on my property.

      The officer abandoned the call when he saw the sergeant with me in tow.

      In your instance, I'd wager that the officers fear the liability of untrained (in their eyes) security guards getting shot by some suspect or otherwise interfering in their call. Or worse, shooting the suspect because they are untrained and trigger happy.

      "My call, you stay the hell over there and leave me alone."
      Some Kind of Commando Leader

      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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      • #4
        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
        , and because I was security and I should know what goes on my property.
        I have used the Security many times on fire calls.
        1. They know the layout
        2. Familar with problems and problem areas
        3. can watch my back

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        • #5
          Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
          In your instance, I'd wager that the officers fear the liability of untrained (in their eyes) security guards getting shot by some suspect or otherwise interfering in their call. Or worse, shooting the suspect because they are untrained and trigger happy.
          Perhaps, but I think it even more likely that officers these days have become somewhat oversensitive to being watched. We've all seen the videos that show up on the news, eh?

          Just how these situations should be handled depends to a great deal on whether they're just isolated incidents involving an individual officer (but you enjoy good relations with the police otherwise)....or whether this is a pattern of noncooperation by the police. If it's a pattern, your command probably needs to have a meeting with the police command in order to get everyone on the same page.
          Last edited by SecTrainer; 12-22-2006, 01:30 AM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by ACP01
            I have used the Security many times on fire calls.
            1. They know the layout
            2. Familar with problems and problem areas
            3. can watch my back
            Most fire departments I've seen do not want private security anywhere near them, and will call the police if "the guard hangs around." Some say its due to HIPPA, some say that its due to their fear of the guard having weapons, others just don't want a guard in the area.

            I had Tampa Fire/Rescue go nuts on my supervisor because the superivsor asked one of the firefighters if there was anything we could do to help. The response was funny, sorta. "Yeah, you can remain 1000 feet back or I'll have you arrested for obstructing a firefighter." He then saw we were armed and made it 2000 feet.

            Silly games they play. It was sad because they couldn't get the vehicle gate back open once it closed, and we vacated the area as instructed. So, they were stuck inside.
            Some Kind of Commando Leader

            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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            • #7
              Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
              Most fire departments I've seen do not want private security anywhere near them, and will call the police if "the guard hangs around." Some say its due to HIPPA, some say that its due to their fear of the guard having weapons, others just don't want a guard in the area.

              I had Tampa Fire/Rescue go nuts on my supervisor because the superivsor asked one of the firefighters if there was anything we could do to help. The response was funny, sorta. "Yeah, you can remain 1000 feet back or I'll have you arrested for obstructing a firefighter." He then saw we were armed and made it 2000 feet.

              Silly games they play. It was sad because they couldn't get the vehicle gate back open once it closed, and we vacated the area as instructed. So, they were stuck inside.
              I've seen firefighter's like that. Luckily most the time when I deal with them I don't have that many problems. Our project manager encourages us to where professional lapel pins on our suit jackets. Mine include an EMT pin and Extrication Specialist. Outside the hospital we have to call EMS for accidents to get them into the ER. Each time I have made the call I have not gotten any problems. One required extrication and when Rescue arrived I was in the vehicle holding C-Spine. Luckily the EMS Chief was someone I knew and didn't tell my boss

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              • #8
                Inside an hotel the fire department seeks our help.
                I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                • #9
                  I have never encountered a problem with Fire/EMS personel. I have seen it with LE though. Currently we have a very good relationship with the local PD and Sheriff's department. My boss is buddies with the current Sheriff and with the last one who left office in July as well. The Mayor lives around the corner from my property and he has told the city council that he sleeps better at night knowing that we are here. This is on public record. I am very lucky.
                  It also helps that my partner and I apprehended a suspected who as in a high speed chase and tried to dump the car in my lot. The police didn't see him pull in, and were speeding on past my property as my partner and I were taking him into custody. A deputy had told me about a minute earlier that the pursuit was coming my way. The suspect had tried to run down a CHP officer at a DUI checkpoint.
                  "Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists. " Author Unknown

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                  • #10
                    I HAVE had problems with Paramedics, refusing to give me report numbers for my report or ordering me out of a room both in the name of patient confidentalilty.Got back at them a few times when the out of town guest did not pay their bill & the ambulance service contacted the hotel to get the guest's home address - sorry hotel confidential information
                    I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                    Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                    • #11
                      If someone is being a bothole there are ways to get back LOL.

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                      • #12
                        LE/Fire/EMS vs. Security

                        The closest I've come to having a problem was a noise complaint that went south real quick...I'd been to the property X2 already that night and knew the subject would be Adam Henry, so I called for PD before I got out of my unit...Cop met me and I showed him where the subject lived. He went up and, after a few unpleasantries were exchanged, proceeded to tell the subject to assume the position, i.e., hands behind back. The subject then resisted the officer and the scrap was on...the officer was pulled inside and began fighting w/ the subject...i radioed in that the LEO was being assaulted...the dispatcher immediately asked me if PD backup was on-scene...as soon as she asked it, I saw the back-up arriving and informed him that his buddy was gettin a a$$ kickin. Back-up went up and soon 4 more cops arrived and subdued the subject...The original officer was a bit miffed that I didn't run up and possibly get thumped/gun taken/killed...I have run this scenario over and over again in my mind and conclude I did the right thing by staying put and letting the cops know where the action was...it is a large complex and one would have difficulty finding the apt. in question...other than that, I have never had anything less than positive relations/feedback from LE in my job...

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                        • #13
                          The tone of your post is very condescending towards the police. Perhaps this attitude is getting you the static you feel from the police in your area.

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                          • #14
                            Observing and Reporting when a cop is getting his ass handed to him will generally piss the police off, especially if you're armed and have the same duty gear they do.
                            Some Kind of Commando Leader

                            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                            • #15
                              ^ Agreed. That situation could've gone REALLY South, REAL quick... What would've happened had that perp gotten a hold of that cop's gun during their scuffle? You'd be standing down at the bottom of the stairs talkin to dispatch, while he's gettin a bead on the back of your head.

                              I've been in a similar situation myself, and you better believe I was right in there on top of the guy while the LEO threw the cuffs on. When his backup got there the perp was already sitton on his rump cursing up a storm... lol
                              Corbier's Commandos - "Stickin it to the ninjas!"
                              Originally posted by ValleyOne
                              BANG, next thing you know Bob's your Uncle and this Sgt is seemingly out on his a$$.
                              Shoulda called in sick.
                              Be safe!

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