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  • #76
    Update:

    Probably because I opened my big mouth here about all the goodies vendors give us, we received the following memo today:

    With the exceptions noted below... employees, may not receive or accept any fiscal gain (e. g. gifts, honoraria, loans, vacations, hospitality, and entertainment) from recent, current, or potential vendors, suppliers, consultants, customers, or anyone else who may have existing or proposed business relationships with the Company. Failure to follow these rules violates corporate policy on Gifts and Conflict of Interest.
    Under certain circumstances, and at Management’s discretion, it may be permissible to accept gifts of nominal value that are in keeping with good business ethics and do not obligate the recipient to take or refrain from taking any action or decision on behalf of the Company. Also, while vendor discounts available to all employees are acceptable, no one may receive or request any individual treatment or gift. Any individual discount offer or a gift of a nominal value offered by a supplier or vendor should be discussed with a manager prior to being accepted.
    Any employee who is made aware of a vendor or supplier offering gifts or favors is asked to promptly report this activity to a Manager.
    The latest scandal was, a big supplier gave all the managers leather jackets with our company logo embrodiered on the back. I think there was some b*tching as well as a certain amount of moaning.
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    • #77
      It's a start - but the laws surrounding government contractors/employees are much more detailed and non-compliance can be fatal to a company. Any idea if they are going to issue specific P&P regarding doing bussiness with the government?
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      • #78
        When reading this thread, I couldn't help thinking about an assessment I did for an industrial plant in the Deep South about twenty years ago.

        During my interview sessions with plant personnel, the topic of gifts and gratuities came up. The purchasing manager I interviewed admitted that he accepted gifts from vendors, but didn't see this as a conflict of interest because he accepted gifts from everyone who called on him. In his mind, just as long as every vendor had an equal opportunity to bribe him, there was a level playing field, and therefore no conflict of interest. I soon found out that this guy's standard procedure when a new salesman came to call for the first time was to toss him a business card, say the words "Jim Beam", and then escort the salesman back out the door. If the salesman got the message, the business relationship continued to the next step the next time the salesman paid a visit.

        What amazed me about this whole ordeal was just how accepted the practice had become. A few years later, the entire senior management team at this plant, including the purchasing manager, were fired for accepting gratuities. It turned out that gifts from vendors eventually grew to include things such riding lawn mowers, home remodeling projects, and overseas trips.
        Last edited by Silva Consultants; 11-26-2007, 07:22 PM.
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        • #79
          What a guy I am!

          CameraMan, I don't want you to feel bad, so I am going to do something nice for YOU.

          I will, just this one time though, take all the freebies you have gotten, off your hands. I will not charge you for this, and all you have to do is to pay for shipping.

          Now, don't you feel a whole lot better. Let me deal with that guilt.

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          • #80
            I've seen a swimming pool, home alarm systems, additions to a home, trips - including golf vacations. The people who were caught in these schemes were turned in by their Administrative Assistants.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Security Consultant View Post
              I've seen swimming pool, home alarm systems, additions to ahome, trips - including golf vacations. The people who were caught in these schemes were turned in by the Administrative Assistants.
              Curt, or nosy Court Security surveyors.
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              • #82
                It is common in the building industry for service providers to donate weekly beer to the site office. I had 1 company tell me my contract was safe for a regular beer donation via email (dumb move). I brought it to the attention of the client's account manager who was a regular drinker onsite after work and would split up the donations with his co-horts. They also had rorts with gardeners and cleaners coming to their homes every week and the renting of carpark spaces for daily visitors in nearby buildings. My contract lasted the minimum 3 months and I was pressured to comply but after a tip off to their legal department - the site team just vanished - allegedly terminated.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Craig S View Post
                  Whenever I do something above and beyond that may make someone feel like they have to tip me, I just tell them to pay it forward. I don't except tips.
                  The unforturnate thing is, this doesn't fly here. If a tip is turned down, the employee will be written up for being rude to a customer. Many gamblers are superstitious and feel that they must tip. If they don't, or the tip is not accepted, then they will no longer have luck here, and will take their business elsewhere. This is a company wide policy. No exception for security. It is a battle I fought and lost many years ago.
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                  • #84
                    I here you there and some of these people tip big !! When I was working as an investigator with a bank contract, a girl I worked with had been training for 6 months - 4 nights a week to be a dealer. They played thousands of games a week to ensure compliance training and the biggest shock was - NO TIPPING allowed.
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                    • #85
                      New question

                      Not so much about gifts, but ethics -

                      I go to the vending machine, insert my $, and push the button for my desired beverage. Nothing happens, so I push it again. Out come 2 of said beverages. Is it theft if I drink both? How should I proceed?
                      That's a direct quote. Not word for word, but the gist of it.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by officerchick View Post
                        Not so much about gifts, but ethics -

                        I go to the vending machine, insert my $, and push the button for my desired beverage. Nothing happens, so I push it again. Out come 2 of said beverages. Is it theft if I drink both? How should I proceed?

                        Is said beverage in a sealed container (ie: can of Coke) or an open cup (ie: hot coffee machine)? Actually I don't see how the coffee machine could give you two cups but theoretically let's say it could. The can of coke could be returned to whomever is in harge of the machine assuming such a person could be located, and returned to stock. It would be impossible to return the hot coffee to stock. So I would say that ethically the Coke should be returned. The coffee could be drank and the person responsible for the machine notified.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Andy Taylor View Post
                          Is said beverage in a sealed container (ie: can of Coke) or an open cup (ie: hot coffee machine)? Actually I don't see how the coffee machine could give you two cups but theoretically let's say it could. The can of coke could be returned to whomever is in harge of the machine assuming such a person could be located, and returned to stock. It would be impossible to return the hot coffee to stock. So I would say that ethically the Coke should be returned. The coffee could be drank and the person responsible for the machine notified.
                          A guy that worked for me went through the drive thru at the bank. He pulled away and realized they geve him to much money. So he pulled around again, and told them they made a mistake, this isn't right. Before he could explain, they were saying "sorry, once you pull away we can't do anything". So he left. By the time he got home they were calling his house.
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                          • #88
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                            Here's the problem I have with all or nothing policies/zero tolerance, whatever you call it:

                            They are often used to eliminate the need to use good judgment and thinking ability on a case by case basis. Humans love to make rules and laws instead of acting on principles that never change. Is the world a better place because of it? I don't think so. Although some laws and rules are necessary, they are implemented way too often as if people should be robots – preprogrammed to act a certain way.

                            I personally don't subscribe to the "one size fits all" policy. Although I will abide by any policy, I prefer to see a company use common sense and the qualities outlined above instead of just defaulting to generally accepted policies for the sake of convenience and efficiency.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Mr. Security View Post
                              Here's the problem I have with all or nothing policies/zero tolerance, whatever you call it:

                              They are often used to eliminate the need to use good judgment and thinking ability on a case by case basis. Humans love to make rules and laws instead of acting on principles that never change. Is the world a better place because of it? I don't think so. Although some laws and rules are necessary, they are implemented way too often as if people should be robots – preprogrammed to act a certain way.

                              I personally don't subscribe to the "one size fits all" policy. Although I will abide by any policy, I prefer to see a company use common sense and the qualities outlined above instead of just defaulting to generally accepted policies for the sake of convenience and efficiency.
                              You are most definitely of the same mindset as I am. Too often rules are made hard and fast, because no one wants to be responsible for making a judgement call, in the event someone else fails to use good judgement.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by integrator97 View Post
                                You are most definitely of the same mindset as I am. Too often rules are made hard and fast, because no one wants to be responsible for making a judgement call, in the event someone else fails to use good judgement.

                                Amen....
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