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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Security Consultant View Post
    One of the topics I wrote on was ethics and conflicts of interest.

    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...ead.php?t=4065
    Can't preorder right before Christmas. Momma is a very good shot with her own little Beretta, you see, and if I bust the holiday budget she just might plug me in the leg while I'm up on the roof stringing Christmas lights - she's funny that way. But, it's been added to my Amazon "wish list" for the March release. Thanks!
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 11-20-2007, 08:27 PM.

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    One of the topics I wrote on was ethics and conflicts of interest.

    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...ead.php?t=4065

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Security Consultant View Post
    I like your post.

    Deciding Between Right and Wrong – Listening to Our Inner Voice

    “Conscience is the inner voice that warns us somebody may be looking”. - Henry Louis Mencken, "Sententiae," This and That: A Mencken Chrestomathy, 1948

    We all have it – you know that inner voice that continuously talks to us. Thomas Magnum, of Magnum PI fame, had it. Our inner voice, developed early in life, is the minds loud speaker - our moral and ethical subconscious. The inner voice is always right, it’s when we try to justify and rationalize that we make poor ethical decisions. This is just a piece of what I wrote on the topic of ethics for an upcoming publication.
    What publication, Curtis? Is it available?

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  • CameraMan
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    I always liked the Seven Habits of Highly Succesful Pirates:

    1. Pillage, then burn.

    6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

    8. Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock.

    9. Never turn your back on an enemy.

    12. A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

    13. Do unto others.

    16. Your name is in the mouth of others: be sure it has teeth.

    27. Don't be afraid to be the first to resort to violence.

    29. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

    30. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

    31. Only cheaters prosper.

    34. If you’re leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun.

    35. That which does not kill you has made a tactical error.

    36. When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support.

    37. There is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload."

    xx. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Take his fish away and tell him he's lucky just to be alive, and he'll figure out how to catch another one for you to take tomorrow.

    xx. Just because it's easy for you doesn't mean it can't be hard on your clients.

    From the webcomic Schlock Mercenary.

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    We had a lecture in the state police academy conducted by the Commander of a large city internal affairs unit. I remember him well - a very tall man with the look of someone who has seen it all. He did not believe that "ethics" was really all that complicated to people who desire to act ethically. We know what is right, and what is wrong, and we only begin to debate "the complexities of ethical behavior" when we start searching for "reasons" or "rationalizations" to cross over the line into unethical behavior.

    He had a very simple rule for police officers to follow: Avoid even the appearance of corruption. "If it doesn't come in your pay envelope, you cannot accept it." He then paused for what seemed like an eternity, glaring down at us from beneath the lofty heights of his bushy eyebrows and said with emphasis on each word: "...and I doubt very seriously that you'll find coffee, donuts, or bacon and eggs in your pay envelope." He then went on to tell a number of stories about the perils of the "free lunch" that made us see "small favors" like that in a very different light. The "free lunch" has compromised more than one police officer.

    The Commander made a lasting impression on many of us. I never drank one free cup of coffee as a cop (except when it was free to everyone, of course), or ate one free meal. And, I don't know of any of my fellow officer candidates who followed the commander's rule during their careers and who ever found themselves in ethical difficulties. Unfortunately, there were others who sold their careers cheap. Small compromises slowly tarnish the badge, and there's no Brasso for that kind of tarnish.

    SIDEBAR: By policy, we were also prohibited from participating in political campaigns for awhile, although the policy was ultimately reversed or dropped. While it was in effect, I didn't even talk politics with my neighbors. I believe that political action has been prohibited by state law for members of some city police departments, due to a history of political corruption in those cities. Supporting a candidate can be seen as a way of "paying it forward", so to speak. The candidate wins and then "repays" the favor. It's a dicey game, though, if the "department candidate" doesn't win!
    I like your post.

    Deciding Between Right and Wrong – Listening to Our Inner Voice

    “Conscience is the inner voice that warns us somebody may be looking”. - Henry Louis Mencken, "Sententiae," This and That: A Mencken Chrestomathy, 1948

    We all have it – you know that inner voice that continuously talks to us. Thomas Magnum, of Magnum PI fame, had it. Our inner voice, developed early in life, is the minds loud speaker - our moral and ethical subconscious. The inner voice is always right, it’s when we try to justify and rationalize that we make poor ethical decisions. This is just a piece of what I wrote on the topic of ethics for an upcoming publication.

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    Growing up this was my code of ethics. Still fits today.

    The Cowboy Code – by Gene Autry

    1. The Cowboy must never shoot first, hit a smaller man, or take unfair advantage.

    2. He must never go back on his word, or a trust confided in him.

    3. He must always tell the truth.

    4. He must be gentle with children, the elderly, and animals.

    5. He must not advocate or possess racially or religiously intolerant ideas.

    6. He must help people in distress.

    7. He must be a good worker.

    8. He must keep himself clean in thought, speech, action, and personal habits.

    9. He must respect women, parents, and his nation's laws.

    10. The Cowboy is a Patriot.

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  • SecTrainer
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    We had a lecture in the state police academy conducted by the Commander of a large city internal affairs unit. I remember him well - a very tall man with the look of someone who has seen it all. He did not believe that "ethics" was really all that complicated to people who desire to act ethically. We know what is right, and what is wrong, and we only begin to debate "the complexities of ethical behavior" when we start searching for "reasons" or "rationalizations" to cross over the line into unethical behavior.

    He had a very simple rule for police officers to follow: Avoid even the appearance of corruption. "If it doesn't come in your pay envelope, you cannot accept it." He then paused for what seemed like an eternity, glaring down at us from beneath the lofty heights of his bushy eyebrows and said with emphasis on each word: "...and I doubt very seriously that you'll find coffee, donuts, or bacon and eggs in your pay envelope." He then went on to tell a number of stories about the perils of the "free lunch" that made us see "small favors" like that in a very different light. The "free lunch" has compromised more than one police officer.

    The Commander made a lasting impression on many of us. I never drank one free cup of coffee as a cop (except when it was free to everyone, of course), or ate one free meal. And, I don't know of any of my fellow officer candidates who followed the commander's rule during their careers and who ever found themselves in ethical difficulties. Unfortunately, there were others who sold their careers cheap. Small compromises slowly tarnish the badge, and there's no Brasso for that kind of tarnish.

    SIDEBAR: By policy, we were also prohibited from participating in political campaigns for awhile, although the policy was ultimately reversed or dropped. While it was in effect, I didn't even talk politics with my neighbors. I believe that political action has been prohibited by state law for members of some city police departments, due to a history of political corruption in those cities. Supporting a candidate can be seen as a way of "paying it forward", so to speak. The candidate wins and then "repays" the favor. It's a dicey game, though, if the "department candidate" doesn't win!
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 11-20-2007, 05:48 PM.

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  • officerchick
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    The officer I replaced at one post was fired because he enterd the deli after hours and took chips and other snacks. His justification? He left a dollar on the counter.

    I've been "trained" by example that coffee, donuts/snacks, and even joining a tenant for a holiday or celebratory luncheon is acceptable, possible even good "PR." I appreciate this thread, it's given me a lot to consider in my own behavior and where exactly the line is. I'd actually been considering starting a similar thread on discussions with tenants/clients, such as what topics are off limits (ie family, kids, pets, past jobs, etc...)

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  • NRM_Oz
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    1 of the texts I had to study in my college days was called SCALES OF JUSTICE - 3 stories on corruption where a young cop is given a free coffee from a shop / kick backs from a funeral home / taking coats from a break and enter / taking bribes as in bundles of cash and then huge pay offs for protection (It has been 20 years since I read it). I repeatedly told my crew to WATCH their behaviour and it could be as simple as 1 staff member giving another a free lunch or something discounted.

    At the private college I contracted with, street carparking was rare and campus building parking was abotu $350 US a month. There was building work in progress so parking after 0745 was very rare. I girl I worked with (reminded me of Paris Hilton) allowed her pass to be used by the 4 cafeteria staff to park for free in exchange for free lunches and coffees. I monitored this for a few weeks before presenting my case to the building manager - knowing it was lost income. He hit the roof when he found out the scam and had the girl's parking cancelled without refund. She resigned the next week - as did her co-worker who was also scamming the same deal.

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  • craig333
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    When I made my reply I was thinking of my medical building. Accepting freebies from a doctor? Yeah, that could possibly be a conflict. He's hoping for some extra attention. But I was thinking mostly of all the patients that come and go, most of whom I will never see more than once. If help some old lady find her car in the parking garage and receive a tip have I set myself up for anything untoward? I don't think so. Unless you say that just sets myself up for the slippery slope. Sure its just an old lady now, but hey, maybe that lunch from a doctor isn't so different.

    I certainly believe I know the boundaries and won't cross them, but if I was setting policy I wouldn't make any distinction.

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  • Eric
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    Originally posted by Andy Taylor View Post
    Here is an ethics question for you on this topic:

    Imagine you are a nurse. You have two patients, A & B. They are both equally sick. Your station is located between that rooms at equal distance. Patient A's family visits every day. They usually ignore you but when they do speak to you, they are rude. Patient B's family also visits every day. They are very friendly to you, invite you to share in meals they bring. They even bring you gifts from time to time.

    One day you are at your station, neither family is present. The cardiac arest alarms for both A & B go off at the exact same moment. You know that help will be coming, but that it is to far away. You can save one, but not both. Which do you save, and why?


    There is no RIGHT answer.
    It would be interesting to see which way the mind directs your feet instinctivly if you did not join in meals, take gifts and did.

    Add a fire to the story, do you save your self or the cardiac arrest duo?

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  • Andy Taylor
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    Here is an ethics question for you on this topic:

    Imagine you are a nurse. You have two patients, A & B. They are both equally sick. Your station is located between that rooms at equal distance. Patient A's family visits every day. They usually ignore you but when they do speak to you, they are rude. Patient B's family also visits every day. They are very friendly to you, invite you to share in meals they bring. They even bring you gifts from time to time.

    One day you are at your station, neither family is present. The cardiac arest alarms for both A & B go off at the exact same moment. You know that help will be coming, but that it is to far away. You can save one, but not both. Which do you save, and why?


    There is no RIGHT answer.

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    I've always had an open door policy at work - I do not socialize outside of work with people I work with or for. I once had to interview/interrogate my boss who was later terminated.

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  • NRM_Oz
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    Curtis I am an approachable person which is why my Intel is never ending with my employer and or clients - however I am not one to go drinking after hours or socialising with the bosses as I will enjoy the odd lunch and perhaps Xmas beer but sorry I am not into kissing buttocks or being made to be `the boy`. In that role I mentioned my boss was a very decent bloke who allowed me alot of lee-way but also respected that I informed him of anything that the CEO was going to want to know about.

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    Originally posted by NRM_Oz View Post
    When interviewing for my 1st ever National LPM job I came clean with my to be boss and said - I don't drink with anyone, lunch with anyone or become friends outside of work with anyone due to the nature and conflict of interests in my role. I kept myself away from all of the BS and the buddy buddy system so I could avoid any issues when I investigated someone (even senior management) and pushed for criminal prosecution ...... oh yeah and terminating their sorry buttocks in the process.
    A policy that has served me well for over 30 years.

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