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  • bpdblue
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    What a guy I am!

    CameraMan, I don't want you to feel bad, so I am going to do something nice for YOU.

    I will, just this one time though, take all the freebies you have gotten, off your hands. I will not charge you for this, and all you have to do is to pay for shipping.

    Now, don't you feel a whole lot better. Let me deal with that guilt.

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  • Silva Consultants
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    When reading this thread, I couldn't help thinking about an assessment I did for an industrial plant in the Deep South about twenty years ago.

    During my interview sessions with plant personnel, the topic of gifts and gratuities came up. The purchasing manager I interviewed admitted that he accepted gifts from vendors, but didn't see this as a conflict of interest because he accepted gifts from everyone who called on him. In his mind, just as long as every vendor had an equal opportunity to bribe him, there was a level playing field, and therefore no conflict of interest. I soon found out that this guy's standard procedure when a new salesman came to call for the first time was to toss him a business card, say the words "Jim Beam", and then escort the salesman back out the door. If the salesman got the message, the business relationship continued to the next step the next time the salesman paid a visit.

    What amazed me about this whole ordeal was just how accepted the practice had become. A few years later, the entire senior management team at this plant, including the purchasing manager, were fired for accepting gratuities. It turned out that gifts from vendors eventually grew to include things such riding lawn mowers, home remodeling projects, and overseas trips.
    Last edited by Silva Consultants; 11-26-2007, 07:22 PM.

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    It's a start - but the laws surrounding government contractors/employees are much more detailed and non-compliance can be fatal to a company. Any idea if they are going to issue specific P&P regarding doing bussiness with the government?

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  • CameraMan
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    Update:

    Probably because I opened my big mouth here about all the goodies vendors give us, we received the following memo today:

    With the exceptions noted below... employees, may not receive or accept any fiscal gain (e. g. gifts, honoraria, loans, vacations, hospitality, and entertainment) from recent, current, or potential vendors, suppliers, consultants, customers, or anyone else who may have existing or proposed business relationships with the Company. Failure to follow these rules violates corporate policy on Gifts and Conflict of Interest.
    Under certain circumstances, and at Management’s discretion, it may be permissible to accept gifts of nominal value that are in keeping with good business ethics and do not obligate the recipient to take or refrain from taking any action or decision on behalf of the Company. Also, while vendor discounts available to all employees are acceptable, no one may receive or request any individual treatment or gift. Any individual discount offer or a gift of a nominal value offered by a supplier or vendor should be discussed with a manager prior to being accepted.
    Any employee who is made aware of a vendor or supplier offering gifts or favors is asked to promptly report this activity to a Manager.
    The latest scandal was, a big supplier gave all the managers leather jackets with our company logo embrodiered on the back. I think there was some b*tching as well as a certain amount of moaning.

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  • Craig S
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    Whenever I do something above and beyond that may make someone feel like they have to tip me, I just tell them to pay it forward. I don't except tips.

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  • Hank1
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    Plain and simple, I do not accept gifts or items at a lower price. I can never be comprimised in anyway.

    Be Safe,

    Hank

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    I see you understand the crux of the issue. But you are not a security practitioner and live by a different set of principals.

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  • CameraMan
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    Well, a certain CCTV equipment manufacturer (starts with 'S') dropped by today for a demo. The haul: 2 t-shirts, a pen, a tape measure/level, a pair of dice, and liturature. I gave it all away but the literature.

    Now I have less stuff but I feel more honest.

    I could have used another t-shirt, though.

    Oh well. Most of their product is overpriced.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by officerchick View Post
    Thanks again for this thread. You're right, when I find myself talking back to that little voice I need to stop what I'm doing. I'm gonna miss the freebies, but not as much as I'd miss having integrity and pride in what I do.
    Good for you young lady, good for you. In the final analysis, integrity or moral fiber or backbone and pride are the only things that really count in any endeavor we undertake.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • officerchick
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    Thanks again for this thread. You're right, when I find myself talking back to that little voice I need to stop what I'm doing. I'm gonna miss the freebies, but not as much as I'd miss having integrity and pride in what I do.

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  • NRM_Oz
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    1 electronics retailer I worked for was rife with corruption / dishonesty by staff doing deals with external services (ie. car dealers and gyms). Staff would purchase items at a discounts and to give or sell in exchange for a deal with the other suppliers. 1 Car Detailer came into a store I was visiting to hand out free car wash vouchers to the store staff. He did this often with the previous manager (fired for major fraud) in exchange for free installation services. The store staff informed me this was common across the company as Regional Mgt condoned it and got their freebies as well. I soon cut off the supply when another 10 or so idiots were fired for similar behaviour.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Security Consultant View Post
    They have posted the same release date. Who knows - it could change. John Christman may know more about that.
    Thanks - I'm looking forward to adding it to my library as soon as I can sneak the clip out of Momma's pistolero. Let her throw china, like other wives!

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    They have posted the same release date. Who knows - it could change. John Christman may know more about that.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Security Consultant View Post
    I think you mentioned once your get a discount at Elsevier?
    Yeah - hadn't thought about that. Will it be available sooner through the publisher?

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  • Curtis Baillie
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    I think you mentioned once your get a discount at Elsevier?

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