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  • #31
    Originally posted by Bridgegate
    It's just that the idea of carrying extra ammo around with you everywhere for a weapon you don't, seems kinda... eh... What's the word here.... "Tackleberry-ish"? LOL

    Yea, I know what ya mean. I suppose some might think I'm over doing it. Being a supervisor, I'm required to carry a variety of weaponary such as sidearm, shotgun and AR-15. (I carry pleanty of ammo for all) Often I'm called to back up our personal when they need help and I'd rather be over armed than under armed.
    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

    ~~George Orwell.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Special Investigator
      The way I look at it, you can never have too much ammo. Between the rounds loaded in the shotgun, 5 rds in a butt stock holder and the 6 on my duty belt. I feel more prepared if I get into a shooting situation. I'd hate to run out of ammo in a shooting situation. I don't want to have to run back to my squad if I run out. Besides it looks more intimidating to someone who might be a threat. Often the "look" will prevent or make someone think twice before deciding to follow thru with their actions.

      How often do subjects that need to be "intimidated" see your back? I'd be more intimitaded by the Glock on your hip than the shotgun rounds that I can't see on your back that go to the gun that you're not even carrying.

      They shouldn't need intimidation anyway, it's not necessary. Command presence and assertive verbal commands work wonders should put you well on your way to gaining compliance, should you need to.
      Last edited by Jackhole; 12-15-2006, 09:48 PM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jackhole
        How often do subjects that need to be "intimidated" see your back?

        They shouldn't need intimidation anyway, it's not necessary. Command presence and verbal commands work wonders.

        Very true, but "visual" gives the first impression & makes a difference too.
        "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

        ~~George Orwell.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Special Investigator
          Very true, but "visual" gives the first impression & makes a difference too.
          Check my edit.

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          • #35
            They shouldn't need intimidation anyway, it's not necessary. Command presence and assertive verbal commands work wonders should put you well on your way to gaining compliance, should you need to.
            I often work in "high-risk" areas of Milwaukee where shootings happen EVERY night & are very common. Milwaukee gets over 1,000 to 1,200 shootings in a year on average. The gangbangers have no respect for 'private' security, let alone the police. In most cases a 'visual' impression will deter any aggression from them. I don't care if I look like 'Tackleberry' as long as it makes them think twice before tangling with me. I don't want it to come to 'Command presence and assertive verbal commands' because if it comes to that, then anything can happen.
            Last edited by Special Investigator; 12-15-2006, 10:06 PM.
            "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

            ~~George Orwell.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Special Investigator
              I don't want it to come to 'Command presence and assertive verbal commands' because if it comes to that, then anything can happen.
              Wow...

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              • #37
                You could get those ammo belts that cross over each other on your chest. Plus, the extra shotgun shells make for a good distraction when you throw them into the fire barrels that vagrants use in the city.
                Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Mr. Security
                  You could get those ammo belts that cross over each other on your chest. Plus, the extra shotgun shells make for a good distraction when you throw them into the fire barrels that vagrants use in the city.


                  Thats funny. Were you a comedian before you became a security person?

                  Like I said, if my "visual" apperance deters any "problems" that I might possibly face, it is to MY advantage.

                  All this over 6 shotgun shells.......Wow.
                  "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                  ~~George Orwell.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Special Investigator
                    Thats funny. Were you a comedian before you became a security person?

                    Like I said, if my "visual" apperance deters any "problems" that I might possibly face, it is to MY advantage.

                    All this over 6 shotgun shells.......Wow.
                    Come on SI. Lighten up a bit. We're just ribbing you. Nothing personal. Whatever works for you. I get teased all the time by my co-security officers. Nicknames like Super Security and so on.
                    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                    • #40
                      I get called Batman by mine.
                      Let's see... My duty belt, Nylon Belt, Latex Gloves, Flashlight ring, Hatch duty gloves, Radio Carrier and swivel, scanner, small stinger type flashlight, personal cell phone, duty cell phone, and keys.
                      "What if this is as good as it gets?" ~ Melvin Udall

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Mr. Security
                        Come on SI. Lighten up a bit. We're just ribbing you. Nothing personal. Whatever works for you. I get teased all the time by my co-security officers. Nicknames like Super Security and so on.

                        I'm sorry for over reacting Mr S. Being a newer member here I have to learn the 'puns' of some of ya here. No hard feelings towards you or anyone else who wishes to razz me.
                        "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                        ~~George Orwell.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Special Investigator
                          I'm sorry for over reacting Mr S. Being a newer member here I have to learn the 'puns' of some of ya here. No hard feelings towards you or anyone else who wishes to razz me.
                          No problem.
                          Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                          • #43
                            We are always joking around on here. Just think someone might give you a nickname os Shotgun Initiative!

                            Ya gotta have thick skin to be in Security.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Special Investigator
                              The way I look at it, you can never have too much ammo. Between the rounds loaded in the shotgun, 5 rds in a butt stock holder and the 6 on my duty belt. I feel more prepared if I get into a shooting situation. I'd hate to run out of ammo in a shooting situation. I don't want to have to run back to my squad if I run out. Besides it looks more intimidating to someone who might be a threat. Often the "look" will prevent or make someone think twice before deciding to follow thru with their actions.

                              Funny... intimidating wasn't the word that came to my mind... Based on this thread I found, thanks to N A, and after reading the other one where things got a little pissy. I, hope, I have come to a simple conclusion.

                              Regional Terminology. Here you are saying that you want to appear as intimidating as possible so as to avoid any possible conflict, but later on you said that you want to avoid a 'command presence' I have to ask, do you not think they are one and the same? After all, I know of a OSP Trooper that is still alive, because I assisted him with an arrest of subject who was a close hit on a felony warrant-we arrested him for fail to carry and present his DL. The subject had two loaded hand guns, with plenty of ammo, guess he didn't want to run out of ammo either. Later on the Trooper interviewed the subject and at the end of the interview, the Trooper asked the guy; "Hey look between you and me I stopped the tape, took the batteries out and everything.... Why didn't you just start shooting at me?" The guys response was; "If it was just you I would've tried, but you AND that other Officer looked like you were playing for keeps... Besides the warrant they have out on me is a weak case..." Our command presence, or visual intimidation prevailed. Now we didn't get Super Ninja on his a$$, we just made it clear through our actions and demeanor that this was a no win option for him.

                              Do you see how your term and the term of others is the same?
                              ~Super Ninja Sniper~
                              Corbier's Commandos

                              Nemo me impune lacessit

                              Grammical and Spelling errors may occur form time to time. Yoov bin worned

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                              • #45
                                Davis I don't care if you are armed, unarmed or just plain rabbid but seeing that you carry a utility tool on your belt does my heart good. That is one of the first things I put on my web belt. I am the only one I know that carries one an takes the nerd rap for it. I have used that BuckTool more than anything else that I carry. I have repaired eyeglasses,watch bands, loose equipment screws for other S/Os Etc. A little fix it for a dept head goes a long way somtimes at budget time.

                                THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR A 911 CALL IS FOUR MINUTES
                                THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR A .357 MAGNUM ROUND IS 1400 FEET PER SECOND?
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