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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Lately, I have been getting some pressure to wear a square badge. I can't stand the way they look...a big square hunk of ugly metal with minimal design. I'd rather not wear any badge than pin that embarrassing hunk of scrap metal on to my jacket. If I am forced to wear it, I'll start changing into my street clothes before leaving work.

    I think this is just another step to take away whatever little dignity s/o's have left.
    Where's this pressure coming from? Red Jacket International? The client? The local police?
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #17
      Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
      Where's this pressure coming from? Red Jacket International? The client? The local police?
      A coworker who could make trouble for me with security management.
      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mr. Security
        A coworker who could make trouble for me with security management.
        I would simply remove the badge, at that point, since its "unauthorized," if someone's going to make trouble for you. Keep it in your pocket, so that if its required, you can produce it with your company ID to identify yourself as an employee of the company.
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #19
          I have seen these square badges here from time to time but not often. Looks like a badge pressed into a plaque.

          Now here is an ugly badge. This is (or was) JCP LP's badges, or at least what they used in the 80's. The number 1999 is just chance. That's the LP associates actual ID number.


          My views, opinions and statements are my own. They are not of my company, affiliates or coworkers.

          -Being bagger at Publix has more respect these days

          -It's just a job kid deal with it

          -The industry needs to do one of two things; stop fiddling with the thin line and go forward or go back to that way it was. A flashlight in one hand and your set of keys in the other

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          • #20
            ...

            That looks a sight better than the ones in the Smith and Warren catalog.
            Some Kind of Commando Leader

            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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            • #21
              Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
              I would simply remove the badge, at that point, since its "unauthorized," if someone's going to make trouble for you. Keep it in your pocket, so that if its required, you can produce it with your company ID to identify yourself as an employee of the company.
              I like that idea. Thanks! Recently, you used the term "valet" to describe the uniforms for big WBC's in security. How true! Makes it so much easier to add in those value added services. "Can I get that door for you sir?" "Would you like me to get your car and bring it up to the door sir? No need for you to get all wet."
              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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              • #22
                In Washington, I think the only regulation on a badge is that it cannot say anything on it that relates to Law Enforcement, so it cannot say "Police" "Sheriff" "Law Enforcement" and I think they cannot say "Agent". They can say "Patrol Officer" However I believe.

                Also, I am sure I have seen some security around here wear the state seal, so I dont think thats a violation of regulation... though, the officer wearing that badge I saw doesnt work for the greatest of companies, and I personally think he works too hard to look like a police officer... chalk up another one for the WWMP.
                "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                "The Curve" 1998

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Echos13
                  I have seen these square badges here from time to time but not often. Looks like a badge pressed into a plaque.

                  Now here is an ugly badge. This is (or was) JCP LP's badges, or at least what they used in the 80's. The number 1999 is just chance. That's the LP associates actual ID number.


                  Yeah, that's what I mean. It looks like a die that you set in the chase of an embossing machine!
                  Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Wackenhut Lawson
                    In Washington, I think the only regulation on a badge is that it cannot say anything on it that relates to Law Enforcement, so it cannot say "Police" "Sheriff" "Law Enforcement" and I think they cannot say "Agent". They can say "Patrol Officer" However I believe.

                    Also, I am sure I have seen some security around here wear the state seal, so I dont think thats a violation of regulation... though, the officer wearing that badge I saw doesnt work for the greatest of companies, and I personally think he works too hard to look like a police officer... chalk up another one for the WWMP.
                    Conservative New England. Regulations, regulations, and more regulations. There are still towns here that are "dry." No liquor stores allowed.
                    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                    • #25
                      Let us not forget when parking the car and opening the door our eyes and minds should always be searching for fruits of criminality. The two LEOs in the midwest posed as doormen, security specialists, did a fantastic job. The hotel was pleased to the extent they wanted to direct hire them.
                      The two doorman brought down a drug ring kingpin, suppliers, runners and the buyers. Furthermore, they smashed a call girl ring, netting hotel go betweens and their customers.
                      Defendants sought to have evidence suppressed as the LEOs were moon-lighting as security personnel. As N.A. Corbier has pointed out on several occasions, sworn officers remain sworn officers wherever they are within the jurisdiction. In this case, it was a ruse, undercover vice officers under the cover of security specialists. Ladies and gentlemen, it works both ways.
                      The games of "what if" and "this looks odd, why?" are still in play.
                      Enjoy the day,
                      Bill

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Marchetti, David, M
                        Yes, Connecticut is out date and still mandates fugly square badges, it's the law as law makers don't know jack about the real world issues. Square badge's often bring laughter from suspects it degrades the profession.
                        If I remember the statute correctly, the law does not apply to badges manufactured before 2003 so as not to place an undue financial burden on any company. So don't retire/replace any of your decent looking badges if you can help it.
                        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                        • #27
                          My state has no rgulations on badges that I know of. I have one badge that has agent, state seal, and my cert number from my card that was issued by the state police. The only thing that I had to do was take it off when I went to jersey and made sure that I had the generic looking badge and the ID. I hope that I never have to work in that state again.

                          As for some of the issues that other states have, it does degrade the professional look and lowering an s/o self esteem as well. I feel bad for you guys.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mr. Security
                            I like that idea. Thanks! "Can I get that door for you sir?" "Would you like me to get your car and bring it up to the door sir? No need for you to get all wet."
                            Customer service ends at 3:55pm for me.....Go get your own [email protected] car.

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                            • #29
                              Yeah, "It's raining outside sir, SO I HOPE YOU BROUGHT YOUR UMBRELLA OR YOU?RE GONNA GET WET!"
                              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Mr. Security
                                I like that idea. Thanks! Recently, you used the term "valet" to describe the uniforms for big WBC's in security. How true! Makes it so much easier to add in those value added services. "Can I get that door for you sir?" "Would you like me to get your car and bring it up to the door sir? No need for you to get all wet."
                                don't forget a cup of coffee, sweet roll, and newspaper.
                                I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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