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  • [QUOTE=Marchetti, David, M]
    Originally posted by pramsey
    *sigh* When state statute mandated background requirements make it illegal for any company to hire you...just buy your own car and call it "In-House Patrol"...lol

    Not in the State of Connecticut if your hiring yourself out as being security, a license is required.

    Legally in Connecticut " In House Security Officers " are not Security Officers legally i.e. PA 04-192 "Security officer" means the licensed and registered person hired to safeguard and protect persons and property.


    Otherwise your committing an offense. No person shall engage in the business of, or solicit business as a private detective or [investigator or as a watchman, guard or patrol service or represent himself to be, hold himself out as] make representations to be or advertise as a private detective [or investigator] or as furnishing detective or investigating services [or as a watchman, guard or patrol service] without first obtaining a license from the Commissioner of Public Safety.
    This is great and all, but we're talking about the State of Minnesota, where he is illegally employed as a security officer. The state statute governing security requires all persons employed, regardless of employee-employer relationship, to undergo a background check.

    Violation of this statute is a gross misdemeanor. Amusingly enough... A private citizen may arrest for gross misdemeanors in presence. So, if another security officer found inhousehack driving around like that, they could lawfully place him under private arrest.
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
      Violation of this statute is a gross misdemeanor. Amusingly enough... A private citizen may arrest for gross misdemeanors in presence. So, if another security officer found inhousehack driving around like that, they could lawfully place him under private arrest.
      It would be a tough arrest. You would have to prove at the moment of the arrest that he was selling security services without possessing a protective agents license.

      If he was truly an in-house officer, the onus falls on the employer. There is nothing that says if you have a felony conviction you can't apply for a position as a security officer. It simply says the employer must check and cannot hire you when the record comes back. Nothing on liability of the applicant.

      But, you still made your point. And it's funny.

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      • The Facilty I work at enforces traffic safety. We have approximatley 3500 employees on the 3 1/2 mile long facility and everything from cars, trucks, and buses to Heavy equipment, vacuum trucks, bicycles, and pedestrians. Sorry no golf carts, we broke 'em so they bought us F-150's.

        We enforce our own traffic regulations - Seat-Belts, speeding, stop signs. We run radar, stop violators and issue tickets. Now these tickets are internal but each offense is worth one point....accumulate 6 points in one year means loss of driving privledge on the refinery for one year - Employee or contractor - everybody from senior management to the trash can cleaners are not excempt.

        Some stops have accumulated all 6 points - Failure to Stop at a Stop Sign {1} No Seat Belt {1} Speeding {1} Talking on a cell phone {1} Reckless driving {1} and contraband in the vehicle {1} {Contrband being mostly Beer and alcohol smuggled into the facility by contractors} We'll tow the vehicle to our garage and process it into our data base - It's a mess by the time supervisors and shop stewards get involved but it's our rules and I'm paid to enforce them.

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        • Now, a lot of people would say, "They won't stop me, they're just security." But they fail to realize: You are on private property. Not only can they stop you, you gave them the authority to stop you when you signed a form as part of your entrance processing.

          And, the big one... Heh... There's an entrance and exit gate. You're not going anywhere.
          Some Kind of Commando Leader

          "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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          • It's been about a month. Anyone have any other photos to post? Come on folks. Let's see your ride.
            Hospital Security Officer

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            • We drive a new 2007 Jeep Liberty with the Whelen strobe light bar with green and blue lights.

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              • Originally posted by FlashLightCop
                We drive a new 2007 Jeep Liberty with the Whelen strobe light bar with green and blue lights.
                Yeah, what is it with Missouri and red/blue lights on security vehicles? How does that work?
                Some Kind of Commando Leader

                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                • Patrol vehicles

                  While in the USAF SP'S in the late 80's, we had k-cars. Then low and behold inthe last yearof chrysler's contract (1988), we had Gran Fury's, talk about style, radios and air conditioning with V-8 power. When I went to work for a Government contractor as a civilian with an in-house force we had full size K-5 Blazers for about a year, then we went to good old Plymouth Voyager Soccer Mom vans. It wasn't until 3 years later that we had gotten CVPI'S with the whelen strobe bars (Amber of course) and other accessories in them. We had used them up until I relocated back to N.E.P.A. to work Campus Security (Public Safety) at a local university where we drove S-10 Blazers with older style Blue and Red rotator light bars.

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                  • To; N.A. Corbier

                    Yeah, what is it with Missouri and red/blue lights on security vehicles? How does that work?

                    I know that we cannot run red and blue lights as a combo. We use blue and green. Red to the best of my knowledge is reserved for true emergency services such as fire and law enforcement as well as ambulance service.

                    I did think it was wierd when I saw a few tow trucks in town with the red and blue combo though. Maybe tow trucks are allowed to run red and blue because they actually take part in cleaning up road side emergencies.

                    The blue lights that we run you have to have a permit for from the city fire chief, and green used to be a color for hazmat, but in recent years, green was made into a general use color to have available for light bar use.

                    We got away from using yellow lights though. That screams D.O.T.

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                    • Lights

                      Here in the state of PA. in a lot of the private communities with their own in house depts., they run red and blue lights on their vehicles.

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                      • Originally posted by FlashLightCop
                        Yeah, what is it with Missouri and red/blue lights on security vehicles? How does that work?

                        I know that we cannot run red and blue lights as a combo. We use blue and green. Red to the best of my knowledge is reserved for true emergency services such as fire and law enforcement as well as ambulance service.

                        I did think it was wierd when I saw a few tow trucks in town with the red and blue combo though. Maybe tow trucks are allowed to run red and blue because they actually take part in cleaning up road side emergencies.

                        The blue lights that we run you have to have a permit for from the city fire chief, and green used to be a color for hazmat, but in recent years, green was made into a general use color to have available for light bar use.

                        We got away from using yellow lights though. That screams D.O.T.
                        Ok, so Missouri is a "Red for LE" state. That would make sense. Since you have a permit from the fire chief, is your vehicle considered an emergency vehicle? It may actually BE an emergency vehicle due to that permit.
                        Some Kind of Commando Leader

                        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                        • Originally posted by Mr. Security
                          You know what they say....FORD
                          - Found On Road Dead
                          - Fix Or Repair Daily
                          - First On Rust & Dust
                          - First On Recalls & Dissatisfaction
                          hey hey my ford was a good little car.
                          Todd

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                          • I have the great pleasure of operating a black '05 Ford Crown Vic, with 15% tinted windows.
                            "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                            • Originally posted by tlangsr
                              hey hey my ford was a good little car.
                              Must have been made on a Tuesday or Thursday.
                              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                                Chevy P/U. Nothing special, but at least I don't need to use my POV.
                                Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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