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  • Alaska Security
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    The military actually has a significant contingency plan here...

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  • Black Caesar
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    Nice Ride, Alaska. Still given that you're sitting on one of THE top terrorism targets this country has, I wish you had a tank and a few dozen heat seeking missles to go with it lol.

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  • Alaska Security
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    I really feel sorry for some of you guys...

    Heh. One of my rides.






    '06 GMC with 50,000 miles, 200-300 daily on patrol, truck box and back seat full of arctic gear, traffic control, emergency medical kit, incident response kit, and other goodies...Truck's got a Strobe bar with 2 amber front, 2 amber rear, 2 blue flashers rear, and rear/alley lights. Also have a motorola radio system that ties into our network of repeaters.. and a CB as well. 4 lightforce 140's up front, as well as a go-light on top that you see... have a rechargable maglite mounted in the truck as well, but I still carry my rechargable Streamlight since it's brighter and cleaner light.

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  • Black Caesar
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
    Having sat in an Impala recently, you can keep the damn things. I have yet to sit in a Charger.
    Yea, one of our sister campus' newest vehicle is an Impala, the other 3 patrol vehicles assigned to that campus are crown vics (2 of em, of fairly recent vintage) and a Tahoe, they also have a marked van for transports. The Impala is ALWAYS the last vehicle to be taken, usually by the last patrol officer to make it out the door to the courtyard lol. It got so bad their Sgt started assigning vehicles rather than the old 1st come 1st served method lol.

    Buddy of mine works for the DART Transit Police stopped by a few days ago in one of their new chargers, 1st time i've ever been in one, now THAT is a vehicle.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Having sat in an Impala recently, you can keep the damn things. I have yet to sit in a Charger.

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  • Black Caesar
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    Niiccee. My College District (atleast the big money people lol) seem stuck on impalas and crown vics (with a scattering of SUVs of various types) maybe we'll come out of the stone age on day too lol.

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  • 3rd_shift
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    What have I done????
    Looks at all the replies on this thread I started a while back! LOL!!!!
    I'm glad I started this one.

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  • SecureTN
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    2004 Chevy Silverado Diesel
    200Something Ford F250
    2002 Ford Ranger
    2004 Dodge Caravan
    199Something Chevy Astrovan (with Transport Cage)

    + a few others, same basic idea. All white, state seal, no lightbars/strobes. Some have Rifle mounts and some (Ranger, Silverado) have no passenger seat.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by Minneapolis Security View Post
    But logistical problems aside, cost just can't be the only issue when selecting security equipment (including vehicles).
    We agree completely. I did try to make the point that we should be selecting cars that have the features we need (reliability, interior space, comfort, etc.) while being efficient to operate.

    This is how I would suggest we select vehicles:

    1. Create a list of vehicles that have all of the features you need. (This includes the ability to be outfitted with your gear, such as a Rhino bumper, spotlights, traffic director bar, etc., comfort, interior space, cargo space, 4WD if you need that, handling stability, etc.). Cost of ownership is NOT a consideration at this point. Even so, the list will not be very long if you filter out any that do not have every one of the features that you need.

    2. Research available independent sources for reliability of the makes/models on your list, their safety ratings, durability. Eliminate any models that do not score high in these areas.

    3. This probably leaves you with a pretty short list. Research these models for Total Cost of Ownership, including maintenance costs, purchase price and typical trade-in value (or leasing terms) based on the miles you expect to put on the car. Rank them in order from lowest TCO (which is good) at the top to highest TCO (which is bad) at the bottom. If leasing, you might have some issues with installing graphics and gear, as these may be disallowed as vehicle modifications, so be sure to check this out.

    4. From the top 3 or 4 in your list, select the model(s) that you believe will represent your agency most favorably to the public in terms of appearance, available colors, etc. Some car manufacturers these days only put out certain models in colors that would look ridiculous as a patrol vehicle. Typically, you would want choices such as white, black, navy blue, royal blue, gold, silver, or a metallic brown/bronze - whatever your agency uses. (You might have state laws for security vehicles to consider here also.) Strike out any models that you consider to be inappropriate for a patrol vehicle in terms of appearance and/or colors.

    5. Now, consider other factors, such as proximity of dealership to your operation, reputation of dealerships, and the availability of the model you select in the configuration that you want. Again, strike off any makes that will be problematic to acquire or maintain due to dealership issues.

    By this point, you should know which vehicle to purchase or lease.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 12-17-2007, 03:48 PM.

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  • Minneapolis Security
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    That's not my experience at all. Shop rates are about the same, and I don't see the inside of my Honda shop very often like I do for the Ford, either. I get a free loaner from Honda, and the only time I have EVER waited for parts was when I ordered a custom hitch, which took a few days to arrive from the regional parts depot and was installed the same day. The Oldsmobile has been very good on repairs, I must admit, other than one episode where it coughed up a computer chip that ran into a goodly sum.

    I've owned two vehicles that gave me 300K and 200K miles plus, respectively - a Toyota pickup and a Honda Civic. I have an Element now with 65K and it's only seen the shop for scheduled maintenance, ever. It's been all over hell and back and hasn't got a squeak or a rattle. I'm gonna sh1t-can the Ford at 110K, if it even makes it that far, which I seriously doubt. When I do, it won't be worth sh1t, either. However, since it drinks gas like a hog, I don't drive it much so it will take awhile to make the last miles. The Olds has 57K, so we'll see how it goes. The wife drives it and just putts around town, so the poor gas mileage isn't a big issue there. The Honda doesn't rob my pocketbook, and when I move into the next one, it will be worth much more than many other similar vehicles I could have bought - that's the plain and well-documented history of these cars.

    See, that's what I mean by TOTAL cost of ownership. It's not shop rates, but how often you're in the shop. It's not shop rates, but operating costs. It's not what you pay new, but what you pay new MINUS what you get out at the other end. Talking about shop rates, even if they were substantially different, which they're not, is one teeny part of the picture.

    ...and I think JD Powers is a pretty respected source, along with Consumer Reports and information from Vehix, etc. Of course, if you run a testing agency and publish the results yourself, I'd sure be happy to look at them. Otherwise, I'll stick with the folks who do. They just might know something you don't.



    You'd probably do yourself a big favor in life if you could figure out why you need to insert this kind of thing into your posts. Debate on the facts and leave the garbage out.

    Well for the record, as you may suspect, I have a 2006 CVPI as my patrol vehicle.

    Does it cost more to operate than a Honda Element? Of course, but not dramatically more. But I have to wonder if I can easily set up a Honda Element for patrol/transport. I know Setina doesn't make a partition for the Honda.

    The Honda has a 105 amp alternator vs. 200 amp for the CVPI. 105 amps just wouldn't cut it for running all the gear.

    Getting a post mounted spotlight to work would likely require a body shop to notch the door post and prime and repaint that area.

    But logistical problems aside, cost just can't be the only issue when selecting security equipment (including vehicles).

    If it were the only issue, we would be carrying Hi Point 9mm's (used of course).

    1 pair of "Lawpro" handcuffs
    1 can of generic pepper spray
    1 Dutyman Utility belt
    1 cheap nylon (1 size fits most) holster
    1 box of reloaded range ammo
    1 pair of Walmart brand black shoes
    1 Lawpro uniform coverall w/sewn on badge
    1 Radio Shack 2-way radio


    Vehicle operating expense needs to be weighed against realistic use and function of the vehicle.

    And I'm not saying the CVPI is the only car for the job, but it certainly has a proven track record.

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  • CAP
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    2004 Crown Vic.

    I will try to Post some Pictures of some of our Units in the next couple of days.

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  • SecTrainer
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    Originally posted by ddog View Post
    All anyone has to do is go to the repair shop ONCE to figure out all the Toyota and Honda cost savings are imaginary at best. You are looking at double the repair costs, with limited shops to bargain with and delayed lead times (and you BETTER smile when you are getting ripped off!).
    That's not my experience at all. Shop rates are about the same, and I don't see the inside of my Honda shop very often like I do for the Ford, either. I get a free loaner from Honda, and the only time I have EVER waited for parts was when I ordered a custom hitch, which took a few days to arrive from the regional parts depot and was installed the same day. The Oldsmobile has been very good on repairs, I must admit, other than one episode where it coughed up a computer chip that ran into a goodly sum.

    I've owned two vehicles that gave me 300K and 200K miles plus, respectively - a Toyota pickup and a Honda Civic. I have an Element now with 65K and it's only seen the shop for scheduled maintenance, ever. It's been all over hell and back and hasn't got a squeak or a rattle. I'm gonna sh1t-can the Ford at 110K, if it even makes it that far, which I seriously doubt. When I do, it won't be worth sh1t, either. However, since it drinks gas like a hog, I don't drive it much so it will take awhile to make the last miles. The Olds has 57K, so we'll see how it goes. The wife drives it and just putts around town, so the poor gas mileage isn't a big issue there. The Honda doesn't rob my pocketbook, and when I move into the next one, it will be worth much more than many other similar vehicles I could have bought - that's the plain and well-documented history of these cars.

    See, that's what I mean by TOTAL cost of ownership. It's not shop rates, but how often you're in the shop. It's not shop rates, but operating costs. It's not what you pay new, but what you pay new MINUS what you get out at the other end. Talking about shop rates, even if they were substantially different, which they're not, is one teeny part of the picture.

    ...and I think JD Powers is a pretty respected source, along with Consumer Reports and information from Vehix, etc. Of course, if you run a testing agency and publish the results yourself, I'd sure be happy to look at them. Otherwise, I'll stick with the folks who do. They just might know something you don't.

    It hard to believe ANYONE would even suggest such an alternative, but there are people getting tossed off turnip trucks every day off every corner it seems: except some are on a perpetual 'bumpy' turnip truck on a spiraling highway to hell.
    You'd probably do yourself a big favor in life if you could figure out why you need to insert this kind of thing into your posts. Debate on the facts and leave the garbage out.
    Last edited by SecTrainer; 12-14-2007, 08:40 PM.

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  • ddog
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    Originally posted by Charger View Post
    No offense SecTrainer, as you make some good points, and for the most part I agree with you that agencies should be looking at what vehicle suits their needs the most. But the Ridgeline is NOT a truck! I've seen far too many that people tried to take off-roading and ended up having to get towed out by their domestic counterparts due to suspension failure & various other things that weren't made to handle the abuse that a normal truck takes. We patrol quite a few sites that are, simply put, hell on our vehicles. The poor little Hyundais get flat tires almost all the time from driving through them, and the owner has been looking into getting a few trucks for the Officers who have to go into those areas. He is looking based on our needs, and the Ridgeline is NOT on his list.

    Also, while the Odyssey is a good vehicle in it's own right, if you want a minivan you simply HAVE to go with a Dodge/Chrysler... They invented the darn things, and have been at the top of that market segment ever since. Honda & Toyota are the only ones who truly compete, and they've been lagging 2-3 years behind for as long as I can remember. While Dodge has had it's share of unreliability & other problems in the past, the minivan is one thing they've always done right.

    Anyhow, my Mopar fanboyism is showing now, so I'll step off my soapbox.
    Wow, "no offense" is kind, but "make some good points" is a little extreme.

    Anyone who lives in JD Powers books is buying the highest marketing dollar. All anyone has to do is go to the repair shop ONCE to figure out all the Toyota and Honda cost savings are imaginary at best. You are looking at double the repair costs, with limited shops to bargain with and delayed lead times (and you BETTER smile when you are getting ripped off!).

    For someone who spends their own money, Japs are not even a feasible consideration. Toyota is getting billion dollar recalls from China, the same as the American car parts on the line right beside them. If you want Japanese marketeers and JD Powers to do your thinking for you, ask them to guarantee parts replacement costs and see how far that will get you.

    It hard to believe ANYONE would even suggest such an alternative, but there are people getting tossed off turnip trucks every day off every corner it seems: except some are on a perpetual 'bumpy' turnip truck on a spiraling highway to hell.

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  • Charger
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer View Post
    ... If a truck suits your purpose, my short list includes the Honda Ridgeline, the Honda Ridgeline, and the Honda Ridgeline. ...
    No offense SecTrainer, as you make some good points, and for the most part I agree with you that agencies should be looking at what vehicle suits their needs the most. But the Ridgeline is NOT a truck! I've seen far too many that people tried to take off-roading and ended up having to get towed out by their domestic counterparts due to suspension failure & various other things that weren't made to handle the abuse that a normal truck takes. We patrol quite a few sites that are, simply put, hell on our vehicles. The poor little Hyundais get flat tires almost all the time from driving through them, and the owner has been looking into getting a few trucks for the Officers who have to go into those areas. He is looking based on our needs, and the Ridgeline is NOT on his list.

    Also, while the Odyssey is a good vehicle in it's own right, if you want a minivan you simply HAVE to go with a Dodge/Chrysler... They invented the darn things, and have been at the top of that market segment ever since. Honda & Toyota are the only ones who truly compete, and they've been lagging 2-3 years behind for as long as I can remember. While Dodge has had it's share of unreliability & other problems in the past, the minivan is one thing they've always done right.

    Anyhow, my Mopar fanboyism is showing now, so I'll step off my soapbox.

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