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  • #16
    We recently had that problem where our law was written, "A permit to carry a concealed weapon." But with people carrying all sorts of stuff they changed it to "A permit to carry a concealed pistol" with the word "pistol" defined.
    "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
    "The Curve" 1998

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BHR Lawson
      We recently had that problem where our law was written, "A permit to carry a concealed weapon." But with people carrying all sorts of stuff they changed it to "A permit to carry a concealed pistol" with the word "pistol" defined.
      Arizona's CCW law does not state what type or how many weapons. So, if you want you can have a pistol in each boot, one in each pocket, a machete under your coat, etc.. Dirty Harry would be proud.

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      • #18
        We dont have a limit either, Thank God.
        "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
        "The Curve" 1998

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        • #19
          Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
          How do you "not recongize" a federal law? I can see his AG prohibiting any agency from giving out the retired certification, but not denying carry for LEOs from other jurisidictions.

          The second someone pops an active duty on vacation, the state is gonna look at one hell of a Civil rights violation lawsuit.
          Yea, I know where your coming from. Gov Doyle is very anti-gun. If he has his way, he wouldn't allow citizens to have a gun unless its a single shot and is only used for hunting or target shooting. Only a current LEO may go concealed. HR218 doesn't mean anything to Doyle.

          I thought he would be voted out of office but as you can tell Wisconsinites got totaly stupid this election. Doyle lied about everything and folks bought his line of crap. Look for taxes and other fee's to go up in the next few years. Over tax and spend is his policy. Taxpayers/citizens have no rights with him in office.

          But there is some hope. Doyle just might get in trouble with his "pay to play" scandel. One of his cronies was convicted for steering state contracts to those who contributed to his election fund. I heard another one of his cronies is under inditment (but sealed) and more indictments are on the way. He may go down for this.....I hope and pray.
          "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

          ~~George Orwell.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Special Investigator
            Not in Wisconsin. WI governer, "Diamond Jim" Doyle does not recognize HR218.
            Like he has a choice!

            I kinda feel the need to fly to WI and have someone try to tell me I can't carry concealed there.

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            • #21
              West Virginias says "Pistol(s) and Revolver(s)" just gotta watch out when you carry a decent combat knife, folder or otherwise.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Echos13
                In Florida you can carry concealed by permit. It can be a weapon or a firearm. Basically just about anything you can conceal is legal as long as it’s not fully automatic and not a nuke. Which kind of scares me because there are some here that have the John Wayne syndrome and carry stuff around that has no purpose in personal defense unless you’re up against a tank, an army or some Samurai on horseback. I know some years back a loop hole in the CC law allowed people to open carry. But it got quickly revamped before it got out of control. But from what I understand during this time few people did open carry but those that had never got arrested or fined. Though it seems odd and a little uncomfortable (at least to me) to me to see people open carry. However I also admit that most bad guys that see a potential vic wearing a sidearm would no doubt go someplace else. Security may carry concealed here on a temporary basis but not under the ccw law but by the state's security industry statues.
                Don't forget, Florida's Civilian CCW statute has a bunch of places you can't carry. The Class G "Security Statewide Firearms Permit" allows you to carry anywhere in the state (except a Federal building unless the building authorizes state-licensed security personnel to carry as "authorized persons on official business") without restriction.

                A citizen cannot, for example, walk onto school property with a concealed gun. A security officer, if his duties take him to a school, may do so openly. A Private Investigator, likewise, may do so concealed if his duties require him to.

                I had a few LEOs ask me about this, because their criminal law instructors were saying "Well, you should order them to leave, they can't carry on school property." One of them brought up 493 and the instructor was unsure about it.

                The State came up with a pamphlet that illustrated the point perfectly, for both security and law enforcement. They noted that under Chapter 493, a security officer in performance of their duties may walk into a police station with a gun on. While the police may ask or order the person to leave (trespassing), they cannot arrest for carrying the gun into the place, nor for "armed trespass," as the officer is authorized to travel anywhere in the state with a gun on.

                Bars, churches, schools, airports (exclusing FAA Security Exclusion Areas, which Federal law superceeds Florida law), sports stadiums, police departments, jails, etc... You name it, your Class G works there.

                It made quite a few cops on one forum nervous, for some reason. I think its because it mirrors the police power of carrying a firearm.

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                Also, I perfer Florida's "weapons" permit. This means that you can carry a baton, a Taser, or other less lethal weapons concealed. Carrying a can of OC concealed is illegal (unless it meets a weight requirement), carrying a "billie" (Read baton) concealed is illegal, carrying a Taser concealed is illegal...

                They wrote it like that to protect people who didn't wish to carry a firearm, but still wanted to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense. Keep in mind, Florida's CCW law was designed only for self-defense.
                Last edited by N. A. Corbier; 12-02-2006, 07:33 AM.
                Some Kind of Commando Leader

                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Jackhole
                  Like he has a choice!

                  I kinda feel the need to fly to WI and have someone try to tell me I can't carry concealed there.

                  Your more than welcome to 'come on over' and straighten his silly ass out. Ther are only two ways to obtain a CCW in WI. Be a LEO or get special permission from a judge, police chief or sheriff.
                  "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                  ~~George Orwell.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Special Investigator
                    Your more than welcome to 'come on over' and straighten his silly ass out. Ther are only two ways to obtain a CCW in WI. Be a LEO or get special permission from a judge, police chief or sheriff.
                    Right, but H.R. 218 is federal law. The governor in WI doesn't get to decide whether or not he recognizes the law. I can legally carry concealed in WI, whether he likes it or not.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jackhole
                      Right, but H.R. 218 is federal law. The governor in WI doesn't get to decide whether or not he recognizes the law. I can legally carry concealed in WI, whether he likes it or not.

                      Sorry, but you cannot carry conceled in WI unless you are current LEO or have special permission as stated above. Our Gov Doyle is very anti-gun. HR 218 doesn't mean anything to him.
                      "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                      ~~George Orwell.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Special Investigator
                        Sorry, but you cannot carry conceled in WI unless you are current LEO or have special permission as stated above. Our Gov Doyle is very anti-gun. HR 218 doesn't mean anything to him.
                        I am a current LEO, hence why H.R. 218 applies to me.

                        IT IS FEDERAL LAW. THE GOVERNOR OF WISCONSIN, REGARDLESS OF HIS VIEWS ON GUNS, DOES NOT GET TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO HONOR THE STIPULATIONS OF H.R. 218.

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                        • #27
                          Like I said. Whatever agency arrests... Jackhole, in this instance, is looking at a civil rights lawsuit for violating his civil rights (right to carry under federal law) under color of law or authority.
                          Some Kind of Commando Leader

                          "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Jackhole
                            I am a current LEO, hence why H.R. 218 applies to me.

                            IT IS FEDERAL LAW. THE GOVERNOR OF WISCONSIN, REGARDLESS OF HIS VIEWS ON GUNS, DOES NOT GET TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO HONOR THE STIPULATIONS OF H.R. 218.

                            Well said JH, but WI Gov Doyle does not recognize HR 218 that allows retired LEO's to carry a CW. If you are a current 'out of state' LEO, you can carry conceled providing your on duty (I believe but could be wrong) but if you are a retired LEO, you cannot carry a CW in WI.

                            Yea I know it stupid.....
                            "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                            ~~George Orwell.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Special Investigator
                              but if you are a retired LEO, you cannot carry a CW in WI.
                              Yes, you can.

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                              • #30
                                An out of state LEO who meets the requirements of HR218 in their own state can carry anywhere in the United States except under special circumstances where state law says they can't.

                                For example, I can't carry in a Casino in New Jersey or Louisiana, because those states only allow on duty LEOs and casino security (plus their State inspectors, who are LEOs in New Jersey, don't know about in Louisiana). Even off duty leos from thos states can't carry in a casino.


                                The problem with Wisconsin (as I understand it) has nothing to do with OUT OF STATe LEOs. Nothing Wisconsin can do can prevent out of state active and retired LEOs cover under the act from carrying concealed. The probelm exists for IN STATE retired LEOs. Supposedly, Hr216 conflicts with some existing laws and such in wisconsin.

                                Here, check these out:

                                From Wisconsin DoJ

                                WILENET

                                They need to get that cleared up soon.

                                And more states need to train their LEOs about HR218. I buddy of mine told me he got hassled in Arkansas after he got pulled over. The officer saw his badge and asked him where he works. When he told him, the officer ask him if he was carrying any weapons. My buddy said of course.

                                The officer told him that he didn't care, but FYI HR218 didn't allow Campus Police to carry in another state. My buddy let it slide by emailed the department the officer came from with several Attorney's Generals oppinions from several states (including Texas and California) stating that Campus police from public college and universities, airports and hospitals where indeed covered by HR218. It's LEOs at private colleges, hospitals, airports and Railroad police (except for the Amtrak guys, who are federal) who can't carry under HR218.
                                Last edited by Black Caesar; 12-02-2006, 06:18 PM.
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