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  • Mr. Security
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    If I had ANY reason to believe that the individual being stabbed was in someway a party to the conflict, i.e., verbal argument, gang member, etc., I would simply call the police and let them handle the matter. If I was convinced that the victim was innocent, then I wouldn't just standby after calling the police. (Assuming there is just one perp.) I would issue a verbal command to stop and if that failed take a weapon of opportunity, such as a long metal pipe, and do my best to fend off the attacker.

    Yes, I know that I'm taking a risk, but isn't that what saving lives is often about?

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by jeff194307
    I will agree to disagree with the statement about having only a baton when the subject is armed with a knife. While working with CDC in the 90's many of us were put in that position, and guess what? A PR24 in the hands of a trained officer will win that fight in almost every situation. We disarmed many prisoners who had homemade knives without so much as a scratch on the officers.
    Jeff194307:
    How many times does the average guard engage in the "baton ballet?" If one has only rudimentary training, not such as you have described, then Nathan's advice is sound. We forget the 21-foot rule at our peril.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • jeff194307
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    I will agree to disagree with the statement about having only a baton when the subject is armed with a knife. While working with CDC in the 90's many of us were put in that position, and guess what? A PR24 in the hands of a trained officer will win that fight in almost every situation. We disarmed many prisoners who had homemade knives without so much as a scratch on the officers.

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  • GordonSecurity
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    Thanks for your response

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    It gives general guidelines, if you expect it to say, "What should you do if someone is being: Stabbed, turn to page 12, Shot, turn to page 14," etc, then it will not.

    Stabbing is a felony. The book also notes that company policy will dictate your response: Observe and report to client only; observe, report to client and police; observe, arrest, report to client and police.

    If you have not recieved defensive tactics training, how do you plan on arresting someone when they become physically combative?

    If your defensive tactics training did not cover armed combatants, demand your money back.

    BTW... If you go up against someone who is armed with a knife and all you have is a baton, you will probably die or be horribly disfigured.

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  • GordonSecurity
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    What you should do is follow your California Security Guard Powers of Arrest training , which states you should follow company policy.
    I have the Power to arrest Manual and it does not say what to do in this case.

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  • Lawson
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    If someone is being stabbed, the first thing I think you should do is get the cops rolling.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    What you should do is follow your California Security Guard Powers of Arrest training , which states you should follow company policy.

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  • GordonSecurity
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    I'm just a security guard. You know we're uneducated.

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  • bigshotceo
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    The First Thing You Do Is Stop Adding Caps to Each Word.

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  • GordonSecurity
    started a topic Question About Proper Baton Use

    Question About Proper Baton Use

    If You Have A Permit To Carry A Baton, And You Witness Someone on The Property Owner's Parking Lot Being Stabbed, What Should You Do? I Know The First Reaction Is Use Reasonable Force, But What Should One Do From The Perspective Of A Security Officer? Should The Guard Contact The Police, And Observe And Report, Or Should He/she Arrest The Attacker?
    Last edited by GordonSecurity; 11-27-2006, 12:33 AM.

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