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    http://news.bostonherald.com/nationa...ticleid=167871


    Take a moment to read this news story from the Boston Herald.
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    The only way to enforce that will be to withhold Homeland Security funds to states that do not comply. Remember the speed limit change to 55 mph back in the 70's?

    I've noticed that some departments are switching to Nextel Walkie-Talkie phones when they require privacy from scanners. (For PD's that can't afford trunking/scrambling radio systems)
    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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    • #3
      The 10-series codes were a way of standardizing communications and keeping local dialect from confusing the understanding of the communication. Instead of standardization the net result was confusion as each department established its own 10-series that would go well past 100 codes. One department in a nearby jurisdiction would run to the aid of a ten code that meant officer down when in fact the originator of the code signaled he was on a restroom break.
      With the emphasis on interdepartmental communications after 9/11, it resembled the Tower of Babble.
      Therefore DHS came forward with the simple mandate, use clear crisp concise language. That will be a challenge in some parts of the country where pronounciation of one word in the northeast is unrecognizable in the southwest and vice versa.
      Hunter in the midwest becomes hunner in the deep south. Cheer up in Ohio sounds like gear up in Texas, Wooster in Indiana is pronounced Wooster in Massachusetts but is spelled Worchesters but pronounced Wooster, so on and so forth.
      Enjoy the day,
      Bill
      Last edited by Bill Warnock; 11-18-2006, 10:57 AM. Reason: Spelling

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      • #4
        It's funny. In Quebec emergency services use 10-codes but the regular communication is in French. Even so they use the international codes for the alphabet: Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot..... some words that are not bilingual.

        Also difficult for people who are not fluently bilingual is the pronounciation of some letters. The letter "i" in French is pronounced "e". The letter "j" is "g" , "g" is "j"
        I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
        Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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        • #5
          No plans to drop the 10 codes here, that I know of.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jackhole
            No plans to drop the 10 codes here, that I know of.
            I'd be surprised if it's implemented everywhere. I can remember as a kid when we all had to learn metric because the English/SAE system was supposed to be retired. Never happened like they said it would.
            Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mr. Security
              I'd be surprised if it's implemented everywhere. I can remember as a kid when we all had to learn metric because the English/SAE system was supposed to be retired. Never happened like they said it would.
              Mr. Security, that turned out to be a political fiasco. It is being forced down our throats as it were by necessity if we truly want to be a part of the world's commerce.
              Look of the items we buy, especially foodstuffs, certain chemicals and appliances to include the spark plug settings. All automobiles use the metric system to include speedometers, miles and kilometers.
              All my children and grandchildren were taught metrics in school.
              Enjoy the day,
              Bill

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              • #8
                I think 10 codes are a thing in the past and only should be used if you use the bathroom, location, or getting food. I remember listening to a chase that went thru 3 counties and everyone was using 10 codes that was made up by each county and not a national standard ten code. You could here one officer giving out a 10 code but the other officer from the other county thought he was going to do something else; this almost caused them too wreck. Plain english is fine but within a security/alarm responder position I like the idea of numbering the sites so that no one knows were your at if they are listening to a scanner.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hemi444
                  I think 10 codes are a thing in the past and only should be used if you use the bathroom, location, or getting food. I remember listening to a chase that went thru 3 counties and everyone was using 10 codes that was made up by each county and not a national standard ten code. You could here one officer giving out a 10 code but the other officer from the other county thought he was going to do something else; this almost caused them too wreck. Plain english is fine but within a security/alarm responder position I like the idea of numbering the sites so that no one knows were your at if they are listening to a scanner.
                  In my entire time in security and law enforcement, I have never come across, or heard of another officer (LE or SO) coming across someone with a scanner to scan for security chatter.
                  "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                  "The Curve" 1998

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BHR Lawson
                    In my entire time in security and law enforcement, I have never come across, or heard of another officer (LE or SO) coming across someone with a scanner to scan for security chatter.
                    It has been done.

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                    • #11
                      Here's another article from last week....

                      Virginia State Police Bans '10 Codes'

                      The Virginia State Police is the state's first force to abandon the use of "10 codes" in favor plain-English radio responses.

                      And organizers of the campaign said they will press to switch all Virginia police and fire departments to standardized responses, The Washington Post said Monday.

                      Through the years, many local emergency departments adapted the 10-codes to fit individual situations, which could lead to confusion over a code's meaning when working with other crews, the Post said. In response, Virginia government and police and fire officials devised standardized responses for troopers.

                      Localized codes squawked over police radio bands weren't a problem until the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks threw many responders together, the Post said. After the attacks, federal Homeland Security officials required first responders to speak in plain English when working an event with other agencies.

                      But as the U.S. Department of Homeland Security began developing a national emergency response system, officials found they needed to ensure that responders spoke the same language.

                      Virginia troopers said they still lapse into the 10-code language. Troopers also said they worry about whether they're in more danger since their coded language is no longer available, the Post said.

                      Source: LexisNexis, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc.
                      "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                      ~~George Orwell.

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                      • #12
                        Not gonna say it hasn't been done, but I think its such a low probability I wouldn't even worry about it. It can be hard enough to get the frequency for a public agency band. Never the less a private security wave.
                        "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                        "The Curve" 1998

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                        • #13
                          At my current site, to signal that we've cleared our code-10 (bathroom break) we generally depress the talk button then hold the radio next to the toilet as it's flushing.

                          Seriously though, the last time we had an actual emergency (a woman fainted and everyone thought she'd suffered a heart attack) all the officers completely forgot to use the 10 codes. She came to as one of the officers was running down the hall with an AED unit. Fortunately we hadn't removed her shirt yet. Funny how all that training goes out the window during an emergency.

                          The main problem with the 10 codes is every agency, not to mention security company, seems to have different ones. Besides 10-4, I think 10-20, or "what's your 20?" is pretty standardized to most departments.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BHR Lawson
                            In my entire time in security and law enforcement, I have never come across, or heard of another officer (LE or SO) coming across someone with a scanner to scan for security chatter.
                            BHR Lawson:
                            When I was an Army civilian security specialist, newspapers and radio stations constantly monitored the radio traffic of our security and military police. DVP was used at a site, somebody jammed the transmissions. All the media wanted to know what the Army was trying to hide. Where else it happened I can't say; take my word for it, it did happen.
                            Enjoy the day,
                            Bill

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bill Warnock
                              BHR Lawson:
                              When I was an Army civilian security specialist, newspapers and radio stations constantly monitored the radio traffic of our security and military police. DVP was used at a site, somebody jammed the transmissions. All the media wanted to know what the Army was trying to hide. Where else it happened I can't say; take my word for it, it did happen.
                              Enjoy the day,
                              Bill
                              Bill,

                              Like I said, I'm not arguing the fact it happens. But we're looking at some serious different ball games when it comes to Army Intelligence and the media against When's the security guard gonna stop by the office and your most common burglar. What I am saying is the probability of a burglar having a scanner that just happens to have a frequency dialed in of a private security co. is so unlikely, its not even a concern in my book.
                              "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                              "The Curve" 1998

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