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  • LavianoTS386
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    I have students all the time refuse to show ID. Most of my colleagues aren't very ambitious so they'd probably give up, But if a student refused me ID, I'd either fallow them from a far distance observing which class room they went into (or car) and I'd certainly ask people around if they know who he is. When the class is over I'd get the name from the professor. Most activities (weight room, computer rooms and so forth) have requirements to sign in (with ID) before using them so I could just pull information from them.

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  • Black Caesar
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    Originally posted by davis002
    OK... I agree and understand we don't know the full story, because we don't know what happened during those crucial moments BEFORE the camera started rolling. With that said, we are left to assume. As we all know, assumptions are bad. Is it possible that this kid was looking to cause a ruckus? By all means, yes. My problem though, is the repeated use of the taser while he appears to be passively resisting. For all I know, UCLA PD has the taser on the same level as chemical spray in their use of force policy (which I would disagree with). Those of you who are trained in the use of tasers, do you feel the repeated use of the taser was justified in this incident?
    Putting the Taser on the same level as pepper spray in the use of force continuum is the only place it fits. If you got somone acting fool enough to require a great use of force, A Taser won't cut it. you don't use Tasers against moving Targets, and you shouldn't even have a Taer in your hand if a sunject is trying to assault you. This goes double for "touch" Tasing someone. I don't want to be in physical contact with someone I or my partner is Tasing lol.

    As for the UCLA case, i've been in a couple arguements with people ....all of which i can say i won as more info came out . This Blog Post sums it up ok (but it's not everything).

    We've heard of suicide by cop, but now I think we have "protest by cop" lol.

    I've never had anything thsi bad on my Campus thank god, but the "attitude" is so falmiliar.....

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  • davis002
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    OK... I agree and understand we don't know the full story, because we don't know what happened during those crucial moments BEFORE the camera started rolling. With that said, we are left to assume. As we all know, assumptions are bad. Is it possible that this kid was looking to cause a ruckus? By all means, yes. My problem though, is the repeated use of the taser while he appears to be passively resisting. For all I know, UCLA PD has the taser on the same level as chemical spray in their use of force policy (which I would disagree with). Those of you who are trained in the use of tasers, do you feel the repeated use of the taser was justified in this incident?

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  • Mr. Security
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    Memories

    When the Rodney King incident aired, the media edited the part where he kept fighting with the officers even after being tased, forcing the officers to use batons. Did the officers go to far in Rodney's case? Yes. Not because they used batons, but because of how they used them.

    In the taser clip, we have no idea of what happened before the kid started filming with his cell phone. Only an investigation will determine if excessive force was used. Unfortunately, the media is once again airing only part of the story. This practice caused rioting in CA with the Rodney King incident, but the media doesn't seem to recognize their responsibility in that violence any more than they will with this if the people violently protest.

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  • LPGuy
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    I'm not campus police or security (although, I was just informed by a campus security department that I may be offered a job in the next few days), but this incident is being blown way out of proportion by people that do not know much about police procedure.

    At the university I attended, we were required to carry our student ID at all times while on campus and produce it when requested. From the interview on the video, it sounds as if the student continued to walk away and refused to show ID when requested, even by UCLA Police. He had already been asked to leave and he would not produce ID proving he had permission to be in the library; therefore, you have a trespass situation in that case. The report seems to say that a UCLA Police officer took ahold of the subject's arm and was Tased shortly after. I would assume that the student probably attempted to pull away from the officer.

    You can clearly hear an officer instructing the subject to stop resisting. Any time a person refuses to be handcuffed they are resisting, even if they are not throwing punches. The student is consequently Tased again until he complies. Other students attempt to interupt the officers and ask for badge numbers and they are threatened with the Taser (the reporter makes this sound like an outrage).

    Sorry, but you don't interupt an officer when he is struggling with a subject and start asking for his badge number. As far as the officer knows, you are obstructing and coming to the subject's aid. The officer would have been perfectly justified in applying the Taser to the badge number-demanding student had he persisted.

    "In the UCLA case, the student, who was stunned Tuesday night after he refused to show ID at a school library, thought he was being singled out because of his Middle Eastern appearance, his lawyer said."

    Whether or not you think you are being singled out does not give you some automatic authority to break school policy and the law.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    It looked to be very, very, political to me as I saw it somewhere else recently. It looked like a typical UC-* trained protestor, actually. Be very loud at the first use of force, scream your political statement, cry and otherwise make it sound like you're being beaten, etc.

    Anyone who's seen professional student protestors from UC or other Cali schools knows what I mean.

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  • JB diligence
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    To me this sounds like the officers went in checking to see that people/students belonged there on the property, That's what there paid to do. The individual refused (according to the report) to show his student I.D. Let's remember video didn't start till AFTER the TASER was deployed. Remember the individual stating "The Patriot Act"? Why would some one do that, show your I.D. and it's over with, "have a nice night, sir".

    According to this report, this individual failed to produce I.D. (permission to be on the property) and started to walk away so an officer took hold of him. Makes me wonder, if you don't want to prove you belong here, why not?

    We weren't there nor was the media. Add to that, a lot of people dislike authority or wish to challenge it to begin with as well as join a crowd.

    So it turns out that the individual was a student, does UCLA not have a policy that you must produce your student I.D. when demanded/asked? I know the company that I work for does, we ask people for there passes on a regular basis, anyone on our property must have a pass to be there or under escort while on the property, as I am sure many of the rest of those on this forum do.

    Seems to me, this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, theses officers were doing there job. What happened before the camera started rolling and force was used is anyone's guess.

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  • davis002
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    UCLA student tased by campus police

    I understand we have a few campus police and security officers on SIW. What is your take on the incident?

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